Keir Starmer's time is up
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friedaweed
Me and me girl named Jane
I don't think you need to stretch it that far at all these days. The lazzy band hardly comes under pressure for me. The buffoons are almost one of a kind in their tactics. Now his back's against the wall Johnson is very much proving himself to be the nasty little shit that we knew Donald was all along.
I suspect we'll see more of this sort of thing the longer he stays in the bunker.
elbows
Well-Known Member
Thats my own fault for the words I used in that post.
I've been waiting to see if Johnson ended up stumbling into his equivalent of the Capital riots for some time, and as soon as he made the Savile comments it did cross my mind that this could be it.
But when I discuss that sort of thing I usually dont avoid language that reveals my feelings about how hilarious some of the framing ends up being. ie with the Capitol riots we had to endure all sorts of overblown sentiments about the desecration of sacred symbolic objects of their amazing system of democracy. I'm a bit sarcastic about the qualities of that system, and the media is one of the pillars of that poor excuse for democracy. I'm going to cheer when the weight of those things gets turned against the likes of Trump and Johnson, but I'll not miss to opportunity to poke fun at the whole shebang and my desire to see it all gone.
elbows
Well-Known Member
I think that could go either way. We know that Johnsons populist instincts lean in that direction, but the dynamics between him and his party are not the same as Trump and the republicans, and after losing the election Trump didnt have much else left to lose. One potential survival technique for Johnson involves reigning that stuff in rather than doubling down on that shit. So I dont know if we will really see operation save big dog whistle now that Johnsons team is being dismantled and rebuilt. Tories arent allergic to dog whistle shit but I think they prefer a slightly subtler form of it, and probably crave some stability and some actual policies right now.
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Plumdaff
joy in people
It goes without saying that this is a horrible incident.
But it also has to be said that we have had half a decade of the most baseless smears and innuendo being spread about certain politicians without the slightest concern by the media, joined and egged on by their friends in the Labour right. And if you encourage a culture in which any old shit can be peddled about easy targets, people you don't like, don't be surprised if the same shit is used against you and yours by the unsavoury wankers who always had the most to gain from this.
eta. I am not saying there were no valid concerns or criticisms of anyone on the Labour or wider left in the last five years. I just think once you're shouting about Czech spies and opening labour camps on election day you've lost all contact with reality.
But it also has to be said that we have had half a decade of the most baseless smears and innuendo being spread about certain politicians without the slightest concern by the media, joined and egged on by their friends in the Labour right. And if you encourage a culture in which any old shit can be peddled about easy targets, people you don't like, don't be surprised if the same shit is used against you and yours by the unsavoury wankers who always had the most to gain from this.
eta. I am not saying there were no valid concerns or criticisms of anyone on the Labour or wider left in the last five years. I just think once you're shouting about Czech spies and opening labour camps on election day you've lost all contact with reality.
friedaweed
Me and me girl named Jane
Yeah I agree but Johnson's a narcissist who clearly isn't in this for the party end game. It's his one shot. After this what else is there, children's television?
elbows
Well-Known Member
Destination America and Fox news, and/or a wrestling tag team with Farage.Yeah I agree but Johnson's a narcissist who clearly isn't in this for the party end game. It's his one shot. After this what else is there, children's television?
eatmorecheese
He's fallen out of the car again
Like it had nothing to do with him.
elbows
Well-Known Member
From Keir Starmer: Two arrested after protesters surround Labour leader
Smith had previous tweeted this on Feb 1:
RileyOBlimey
Well-Known Member
If Starmer gets lynched and Boris booted, I could live with that.
I watched the video, and while it's funny that Johnson will get it in the neck over this, it's not really true that he's directly responsible for it, like everyone is breathlessly saying on twitter. Those guys aren't Boris Johnson stans, and their beef is old - they'd have done exactly the same to Starmer if they'd come across him tonight regardless of what Johnson said in parliament last week. Also the paedo defender stuff must've been pretty low in the mix cause all I could hear was the usual crap about magna carta rights and some bits about Julian Assange? Either way it looks to me like there's a bit of an opportunity being taken here. I guess you would wouldn't you?
friedaweed
Me and me girl named Jane
They wouldn't have done "exactly the same to Starmer" if Johnson hadn't armed them with what he said in parliament last week though would they? Its designed to inflame dickwads like this so the falsehood gets traction is it not?
These are the same guys who've been hanging round there harassing MPs for a couple of years. The same guys who climbed up the BBC to smash up the paedo statue the other week. They're already at it, Johnson hasn't inflamed them.
beesonthewhatnow
going deaf for a living
Not sure if there are multiple clips going round, but the one I just watched it was all pretty audible and clear.
Wilf
Slouching towards Billingham
I think the worst bit about it is not that johnson actually thinks Starmer bears some responsibility for savile getting away with it - he doesn't. It's that his world is one where that really doesn't matter. He's in a corner so he's happy to fling whatever shit is to hand. As it turns out, it was a pretty bad call to do that and his populist instincts don't seem that popular on this one. Anyway, you may be right that Starmer just stumbled across a pre-organised loon-athon, but johnson parroting their non(ce)sense is at least in the mix.
Wilf
Slouching towards Billingham
To be fair, I'd be happy with any version 'either', 'and' or 'or'.
Talk on facebook that this was Resistance GB - far right Alpha Men Aseemble/Q Anon types. They've got a YouTube channel.
friedaweed
Me and me girl named Jane
They're following him along the road shouting "paedophile protector" "child abuser" "Where's Jimmy Saville". Do you not think what Johnson said in parliament last week has had anything to do with what he had to endure tonight?
I don't dispute that they're regular knobs on the scene but Starmer wouldn't have been called a paedophile all along Westminster tonight if Boris hadn't of spun the fake news would he?
Wilf
Slouching towards Billingham
Can't remember who it was, but one of johnson's aides apparently advised against him going with this line. I don't remember the report saying who came up with the line, but there was certainly an attempt to link Starmer into something, not just grab a headline (he did get the headlines, but not as intended). I don't think johnson is some alt-right ideologue, he isn't, but this says something about the terrain he thinks politics is now on. That's in as much as it's anything, this is also about johnson simply being a cunt.
friedaweed
Me and me girl named Jane
I cant link to the one I saw. Its on a shit rag I saw because it was sent to me. I'm not sharing a link from the scum but it's out there.
The whole outrage is because Johnson was repeating far right conspiracy theories. These guys are the far right conspiracy theorists - they're the source of this stuff, not led by Johnson.
eatmorecheese
He's fallen out of the car again
Not led by Johnson, certainly. Perhaps validated? Encouraged?
I dunno, there's footage of these maniacs shouting bollocks at someone or the other every other day. There's just a really great hook to hang this one on.
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
Which is why they went for that one.
Smokeandsteam
Working Class First
Yeah, you’re spot on. The idea that Johnson has magicked this up or has legitimised these goons is miles wide of the mark. The fact he’s copping the blame for it is fucking brilliant though…
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