Keir Starmer's time is up

[mauvais]

 

[Pickman's model]

The latter.

Yes

 

[SlideshowBob]

If this actually was intended as a promotion and there's no falling out between her and Starmer then it's possibly the worst political PR I've ever seen.

 

[hitmouse]

Fucking hell, some proper "the dog ate my homework" level lying going on there.

 

[Pickman's model]

In former times starmer might have been able to expect being kicked upstairs and becoming an EU commissioner

Now in these straitened times he can only expect to be kicked

 

[Sprocket.]

In former times starmer might have been able to expect being kicked upstairs and becoming an EU commissioner

Now in these straitened times he can only expect to be kicked

He might go full Reg Prentice and be more comfortable in his new surroundings!

 

[Gramsci]

Originally it was going to be the 'John Lewis' council, but I think they went for 'cooperative' in the end as a bit more 'labour'. Have to say I don't think anyone ever understood what it actually meant!

I did follow it.

As Steve Reed is part of Starmer shadow cabinet dealing with communities and local government its worth looking at how he led a local Council.

If Labour Party is to be rebuild at local level then he will have influence.

The idea of a Council working with local community to design services and have input into how they are managed is not necessarily to be rejected.

It could have been something the left and right of party could agree on and work on.

In Lambeth that didn't happen.

 

[Pickman's model]

I did follow it.

As Steve Reed is part of Starmer shadow cabinet dealing with communities and local government its worth looking at how he led a local Council.

If Labour Party is to be rebuild at local level then he will have influence.

The idea of a Council working with local community to design services and have input into how they are managed is not necessarily to be rejected.

It could have been something the left and right of party could agree on and work on.

In Lambeth that didn't happen.

Yeh but who better to oversee this vital plank than someone who cocked it up in Lambeth, being as we all know you learn more from mistakes than successes

 

[Sue]

Fucking hell, some proper "the dog ate my homework" level lying going on there.

And they're even shit at the lying thing which should traditionally be their bread and butter.

To be honest, I feel (slightly) sorry for Ian Murray. He became Shadow Scottish Secretary because he was literally last MP standing. And now he keeps getting wheeled out even though he's really rubbish.

 

[brogdale]

When's this fucking reshuffle/right-wing coup gonna be announced, then?

 

[teqniq]

When's this fucking reshuffle/right-wing coup gonna be announced, then?

Could this be the answer?

 

[PR1Berske]

There must be a growing number of voters who don't really remember the Blair years, surely?

24 years is an immensely long time in politics.

But as long as people carry on talking about Blair and his time in office, the longer it stays "alive".

Thatcher has not been PM since 1991. She is still invoked as a warning against the Conservatives after 30 years.

There does appear to be a cut-off point, maybe in cultural terms, maybe because contemporary history seems to have started in the collective memory around the early 1980s, which is why the time of Wilson or Heath is hardly mentioned or recalled at all. Maybe in one or two generations time, we won't hear of Thatcher again. Maybe that's how long it takes for events to fade from anecdote and into history.

 

[Pickman's model]

Could this be the answer?

Tbh if I was starmer I'd be right tempted to hand this poisoned chalice to Rayner with the challenge, go on then let's see you do better

 

[Pickman's model]

24 years is an immensely long time in politics.

But as long as people carry on talking about Blair and his time in office, the longer it stays "alive".

Thatcher has not been PM since 1991. She is still invoked as a warning against the Conservatives after 30 years.

There does appear to be a cut-off point, maybe in cultural terms, maybe because contemporary history seems to have started in the collective memory around the early 1980s, which is why the time of Wilson or Heath is hardly mentioned or recalled at all. Maybe in one or two generations time, we won't hear of Thatcher again. Maybe that's how long it takes for events to fade from anecdote and into history.

Margaret thatcher famously left office in November 1990

 

[RileyOBlimey]

 

[Puddy_Tat]

24 years is an immensely long time in politics.

But as long as people carry on talking about Blair and his time in office, the longer it stays "alive".

Thatcher has not been PM since 1991. She is still invoked as a warning against the Conservatives after 30 years.

There does appear to be a cut-off point, maybe in cultural terms, maybe because contemporary history seems to have started in the collective memory around the early 1980s, which is why the time of Wilson or Heath is hardly mentioned or recalled at all. Maybe in one or two generations time, we won't hear of Thatcher again. Maybe that's how long it takes for events to fade from anecdote and into history.

dunno - the 'winter of discontent' is still dragged up by the tories now and then, as occasionally is the three day week. and one or two elections ago the tories were talking about 'ration book labour' (i think that was in relation to access to the NHS being on need rather than wealth - it was a bit hard to understand then)

 

[Pickman's model]

dunno - the 'winter of discontent' is still dragged up by the tories now and then, as occasionally is the three day week. and one or two elections ago the tories were talking about 'ration book labour' (i think that was in relation to access to the NHS being on need rather than wealth - it was a bit hard to understand then)

Do the Tories really drag up the three day week? Seems peculiar

 

[maomao]

Do the Tories really drag up the three day week? Seems peculiar

3 day week = 4 day weekend. Sounds fucking brilliant to me.

 

[AnnO'Neemus]

Fuuuuuuuuuuuck, no! He should be fucking arrested for war crimes, not standing for election again. The last time he was leader he took us into an illegal war. Never again.

 

[PR1Berske]

Margaret thatcher famously left office in November 1990

See, there we go. I've hit 41 and my timeline memory has already started to fuse into hazy nothingness.

 

[Pickman's model]

3 day week = 4 day weekend. Sounds fucking brilliant to me.

Not sure that's the three day week they'd bring up

 

[Sprocket.]

Not sure that's the three day week they'd bring up

Possibly not, but it made memories of the incredible Mick McGahey pop into my cobwebbed brain.

 

[kebabking]

24 years is an immensely long time in politics.

But as long as people carry on talking about Blair and his time in office, the longer it stays "alive".

Thatcher has not been PM since 1991. She is still invoked as a warning against the Conservatives after 30 years...

Sorry, just wanted to check - how's that working out for you?

The Thatch word maybe some totemic utterence in obscure corners of the internet, but not it would appear elsewhere...

Durham, Hartlepool, Dudley - no one gives the slightest shit about the old ghosts you think are at the beating heart of politics. Same with Blair, he's be no means the bogy man you may think he is. He's long gone, more a figure of fun - for those who recognise him - than this terrifying spectre who haunts every voting booth.

Disconnect. Just total disconnect.

 

[Pickman's model]

Possibly not, but it made memories of the incredible Mick McGahey pop into my cobwebbed brain.

Yeh brought to mind that song he wrote with Rick santers, not gonna die, for me too

 

[PR1Berske]

Sorry, just wanted to check - how's that working out for you?

The Thatch word maybe some totemic utterence in obscure corners of the internet, but not it would appear elsewhere...

Durham, Hartlepool, Dudley - no one gives the slightest shit about the old ghosts you think are at the beating heart of politics. Same with Blair, he's be no means the bogy man you may think he is. He's long gone, more a figure of fun - for those who recognise him - than this terrifying spectre who haunts every voting booth.

Disconnect. Just total disconnect.

I don't agree that they're ghosts. They are invoked, and not just on-line.

I do agree that some parts of the UK appear to have moved on completely, which is why the reaction to Blyth Valley etc. from outside the area is often framed in the language of "How can [ex-mining village] vote Tory, don't they remember Thatcher?".

 

[MrSki]

 

[kebabking]

They are invoked, by a tiny sub-sect of people who obsess about them - it's just that no one else cares.

 

[RileyOBlimey]

Is it me or is this Starmer trying to look like Burnham?

 

[Kaka Tim]

Have top say, in those clips, David Brent demonstrates far more credibility and political skill than Starmer.

 

[Plumdaff]

Rachel Reeves as shadow chancellor Going for outflanking the Tories on the right, then. What a fucking nightmare.