Agent Sparrow
the age of slippers and migraines
Unfortunately from how things have seemed so far, many won’t careJD doesn't look great going from this to hitting the road with Jeff Beck, unless he really does have a very clear conscience.
Unfortunately from how things have seemed so far, many won’t careJD doesn't look great going from this to hitting the road with Jeff Beck, unless he really does have a very clear conscience.
Neither of them can have a clear conscience.I don't think it's compatible at all with having a very clear conscience.
Neither of them can have a clear conscience.
Agree. And drink and drugs can bring very bad things out of people.
Not sure. Might be worth looking into the Craig Charles case and see what the motivation was there. Or the Hamiltons. That was a bizarre oneI am wondering what is supposed to motivate women to go out and lie about abuse. I mean, where are all these women who have allegedly done so well financially, career-wise and personally by alleging abuse? I suppose they just took the public destruction of their character and the money (from somewhere or other) and waltzed off into the sunset?
Was that a definite “he was innocent” case or a “not proven” one?Not sure. Might be worth looking into the Craig Charles case and see what the motivation was there
Innocent. I recall it at the time the woman later admitted she made it up. Got paid £50k by the News of the World.Was that a definite “he was innocent” case or a “not proven” one?
One of those telling things, I think, that when asked for real examples we're transported back to 1995 and a tabloid sleaze payout. Almost as though, like many of the the tabloids' moral panics, what we're actually talking about is a small minority of cases which get the full magnifying glass and cited prominently over and over as justification for the idea that a thing happens often. Also in this series: That time Boris Becker accused a woman of stealing his sperm.
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Whilst any false allegations are awful, I would also bet there’s many more stories out there like hers.
Vague as that is, I’d appreciate people not quoting that first paragraph.
It’s as relevant as bringing up false accusation cases. Indeed a counterpoint.Yes, vastly more. Most rapes never go to trial and even then the conviction rate...
Not sure how it is relevant to this case, though.
Cos Cloo asked what would motivate a false allegation and this was a case i could recall which was a proven false allegationWhat relevance does a false rape allegation 30 years ago have to anything?
I'm prepared to be jumped on here, but I'd say that most rapes are a form of DV. Stranger-rapes aren't as common as believed.Yes, vastly more. Most rapes never go to trial (or even get reported) and even then the conviction rate is dismal, as we all know, so the difference will be massive.
Not sure how it is relevant to this case, though.
It’s as relevant as bringing up false accusation cases. Indeed a counterpoint.
Actually probably more relevant given the previously noted societal context the Depp-Heard case has been tried, filmed and analysed in.
I'm prepared to be jumped on here, but I'd say that most rapes are a form of DV. Stranger-rapes aren't as common as believed.
I'm prepared to be jumped on here, but I'd say that most rapes are a form of DV. Stranger-rapes aren't as common as believed.
False accusations are rare but they do happen tho, and it isn't uncommon for a (usually, but not always male) abuser to accuse the victim of abuse. I don't think anyone in the position Depp said he was in was done any favours by this shitshow. Nobody needed this spectacle apart from maybe his lawyers and an army of 4chan trolls
I thought we were headed down the rape route, not necessarily by you, I was just making that observation at an early stage. Sorry if I jumped the gun!I'll jump on the jumpers if that happens - this is totally the case.
Not too sure how this connects with the points being made, though.
I thought we were headed down the rape route, not necessarily by you, I was just making that observation at an early stage. Sorry if I jumped the gun!
Even the jury agreed he lied, and awarded damages to Heard! That lie was publicly voiced by his lawyer, but even if he didn't invent it he must have at least agreed that the lawyer should say it: "Ms Heard did succeed on one count: the claim that Mr Depp's lawyer gave a statement to the Daily Mail in 2020 calling her abuse allegations a hoax."Depp-Heard trial: Three questions answered after the verdictI can't find anything about Depp's proven lying. Do you have a link?
With things like the Hamiltons case, you do get the odd fantasist, but these are massive outliers. I think what I find so frustrating is people acting as though the number of false accusations (appalling as they are for those wrongly accused) is in any way comparable to the amount of abuse that actually happens is and never even brought anywhere near trial - either victims knowing they won't be believed, victims told by their family 'not to make a fuss', victims going to the authorities only to be told they should forget it etc. I would be surprised if there were not many more victims, mostly women, whose 'lives have been ruined' by going to trial with an absolutely true accusation that wasn't believed than there are men whose 'lives have been ruined' by a false accusation.Not sure. Might be worth looking into the Craig Charles case and see what the motivation was there. Or the Hamiltons. That was a bizarre one
That’s not how I took Cloo ‘s post. I thought it was more critiquing both the ideas of false allegations being a common occurrence (a frequent claim), and being used as a way of furthering a career.Bringing up a false accusation was only done in response to the bizarre implication that false allocations don't happen.
Bringing up a valid accusation isn't a counterpoint to that in any sense at all.