cesare
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I agree.
Johnny Depp Libel Case
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two sheds
Least noticed poster 2007
Does it say anything about whether they accessed social media or read emails or went on the web with their phones?It's probably already been posted above but I cant be arsed reading. The Mail has an 'exclusive' with a juror who said the kicker was the fact she lied about giving her previous winnings in the UK to charity. That didn't play well. Understandably.
'Everything she was saying came off like bulls***': Heard-Depp 'juror'
A man claiming to be a juror in the Virginia defamation trial of Amber Heard and Johnny Depp has lifted the lid on the inner machinations of the seven-person jury.www.dailymail.co.uk
cesare
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I’ve just rewatched the part where the Judge tells them that they mustn’t do that, but of course they may have done anyway. Hopefully they took it seriously though.
I am so confused tbh.
Raheem
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In the London trial, he denied having committed a string of assaults that the judge found were proven to have happened.
Of course, there's a bit of cart-and-horse to the question in the first place.
Agent Sparrow
the age of slippers and migraines
What’s the nearest thing anyone has come across to a neutral run down of everything raised? Ideally described as such by both “sides” on here. Does such a thing exist?
Wherever exactly the division of shitty actions and culpability lays, the absolute vilification of Heard as the “wrong” kind of victim against a popular man has been horrific. Much of it wouldn’t have been justified even if he was entirely blameless, which it really does not sound like he was.
I hope she’s got some good, genuine support around her because if she is already this emotionally fragile, I’d be quite concerned about where her mental health will take her over the next few months.
Wherever exactly the division of shitty actions and culpability lays, the absolute vilification of Heard as the “wrong” kind of victim against a popular man has been horrific. Much of it wouldn’t have been justified even if he was entirely blameless, which it really does not sound like he was.
I hope she’s got some good, genuine support around her because if she is already this emotionally fragile, I’d be quite concerned about where her mental health will take her over the next few months.
Agent Sparrow
the age of slippers and migraines
Depending on who you read, the whole thing comes across as a really tragic, multimillionaire “AITA” thread, ie so told from a single perspective.
cesare
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Yes he did find that. I understand (haven’t read the Judgment personally) that one of his reasons for that belief was the charity donation that AH told him about
Agent Sparrow
the age of slippers and migraines
I’m just trying to think of one example of a man being treated by the media in quite the same way. I’m open to suggestions if I’m missing them.
But even though famous men actually proven to rapists and murderers get huge media focus and character analysis, I’m struggling to think of one with such a mass “they deserved it”, “they’re crazy/unstable” (with that being used to discredit rather than justify), “this one man justifies my hatred of ALL men the fucking whores” etc.
But even though famous men actually proven to rapists and murderers get huge media focus and character analysis, I’m struggling to think of one with such a mass “they deserved it”, “they’re crazy/unstable” (with that being used to discredit rather than justify), “this one man justifies my hatred of ALL men the fucking whores” etc.
8ball
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I thought he'd sued her for saying he had beaten her up, which is understandable in his field where reputation means so much, plus it's a really hurtful thing to be unjustly accused of, especially if they have been abusive toward you.
I may be missing elements or just be flat wrong tbf.
ElizabethofYork
Old Crone
I can't find anything about Depp's proven lying. Do you have a link?
Agent Sparrow
the age of slippers and migraines
This is one of the things that’s confused me, and tbf I haven’t been following it too closely. But I thought it was because she had said “me too” applied to her, without naming him. Me too started as acknowledging sexual assault, coercion and intimidation but I have no issue with it also encompassing DV. But DV isn’t just “beating people up”, there’s a whole host of abuse that happens without leaving a physical mark. So I’ve got a bit confused at how the he’s allegedly innocent of it all because it couldn’t be proved he physically beat her, but there’s recorded evidence of intimidation
cesare
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Yes, that’s my understanding too. That he sued her for writing and re-publishing an op ed about physical and sexual abuse, that anyone reading it would draw the conclusion it was about him. Yes I believe that victims of DV should have a voice and men victims apparently under-report. But I think there are other ways of illustrating your point/asserting your rights when you are a celebrity and very rich. For example all of those lawyers fees would have been better of in DV charities and he could have become an activist for DV victims rights.
cesare
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Her op ed wasn’t about all abuse (as I understand it) I think it was about physical and sexual abuse. If it had been all abuse he never would have been successful imo.This is one of the things that’s confused me, and tbf I haven’t been following it too closely. But I thought it was because she had said “me too” applied to her, without naming him. Me too started as acknowledging sexual assault, coercion and intimidation but I have no issue with it also encompassing DV. But DV isn’t just “beating people up”, there’s a whole host of abuse that happens without leaving a physical mark. So I’ve got a bit confused at how the he’s allegedly innocent of it all because it couldn’t be proved he physically beat her, but there’s recorded evidence of intimidation
8ball
Decolonise colons!
This is one of the things that’s confused me, and tbf I haven’t been following it too closely. But I thought it was because she had said “me too” applied to her, without naming him. Me too started as acknowledging sexual assault, coercion and intimidation but I have no issue with it also encompassing DV. But DV isn’t just “beating people up”, there’s a whole host of abuse that happens without leaving a physical mark. So I’ve got a bit confused at how the he’s allegedly innocent of it all because it couldn’t be proved he physically beat her, but there’s recorded evidence of intimidation
I read somewhere that he had been dropped from the Pirates of The Caribbean franchise based on this. Not sure if that was based on an initial accusation not naming him, or after she had elaborated, at which point the accusation was specifically about physical abuse.
Agent Sparrow
the age of slippers and migraines
Thanks, that does make the verdict make a bit more sense.
That does come across a bit “it’s fine because I didn’t do this absolutely awful abuse, I only abused her a little bit/in an OK way”
Yossarian
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This is one of the things that’s confused me, and tbf I haven’t been following it too closely. But I thought it was because she had said “me too” applied to her, without naming him. Me too started as acknowledging sexual assault, coercion and intimidation but I have no issue with it also encompassing DV. But DV isn’t just “beating people up”, there’s a whole host of abuse that happens without leaving a physical mark. So I’ve got a bit confused at how the he’s allegedly innocent of it all because it couldn’t be proved he physically beat her, but there’s recorded evidence of intimidation
As the New Yorker puts it:
“One time, ladies and gentlemen, one time—if he abused her one time, Amber wins,” Rottenborn told the jury. “Actually, if he fails to prove that he never abused her one time, Amber wins.”
And yet she lost. She lost despite vile text messages from Depp, spinning out violent fantasies of rape and murder. She lost despite photograph after photograph of cuts, bruises, and swelling. She lost despite audio recordings of Depp verbally abusing her. She lost despite her sister, multiple friends, a makeup artist, and a couples counsellor attesting to seeing her injuries. And she lost despite facing the jury and recounting graphic, painful episodes of alleged physical and sexual violence.
The Johnny Depp–Amber Heard Verdict Is Chilling
Many victims of domestic violence who watched this trial will likely conclude that, if they share their experiences, they will be disbelieved, shamed, and ostracized.
The writer also notes that her legal team could not present evidence in Heard’s favor that the judge, Penney Azcarate, ruled out as hearsay, including testimony from seven medical professionals that Heard had reported contemporaneous episodes of abuse to them and a series of text messages from one of Depp’s employees, Stephen Deuters, in which Deuters appears to acknowledge that Depp physically harmed Heard on an airplane. (“When I told him he kicked you, he cried.”)
8ball
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When you have a relationship like that with toxic shit flying in both directions, he might still have cause to react legally to her playing the victim where it has only affected his career.
But that's all speculative.
cesare
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It was properly toxic both ways, and the jurors heard her admitting that she physically abused him. I dislike that she thinks it’s ok to hit people.Thanks, that does make the verdict make a bit more sense.
That does come across a bit “it’s fine because I didn’t do this absolutely awful abuse, I only abused her a little bit/in an OK way”
8ball
Decolonise colons!
That's very interesting. Wasn't aware that the judge had put it that way.
Just thinking back to my previous relationships, though...
Would I ever have been in a position to prove that I had never abused any of them?
Would they ever have been in a position to prove they had never abused me?
Seems like a big ask.
cesare
shady's dreams ♥
Yes, I definitely get that argument. I just don’t think that he comes out of this looking like it was all one way. I heard/saw some nasty stuff he said in his text messages about her for example.
Yossarian
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Reading the op-ed again, it's even harder to see how the Depp team won - the third statement of the three statements deemed defamatory, in particular, seems truer now more than ever.
(3) “I had the rare vantage point of seeing, in real time, how institutions protect men accused of abuse.”
(3) “I had the rare vantage point of seeing, in real time, how institutions protect men accused of abuse.”
8ball
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Agree. And drink and drugs can bring very bad things out of people.
two sheds
Least noticed poster 2007
Don't think he did, her counsel did.
cesare
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Rottenborn was one of AH’s legal team. That statement was from the closing submissions for AH. Depp’s legal team said along the lines of, you either believe all of what she’s been telling you, or you believe none of it.
8ball
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Gotcha - thanks for clarifying.
I would have expected that to be challenged. Well, maybe not tactically wise, I dunno.
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