I agree that the juror system is fallible but I'd still rather have it than not.
Someone more on it than me will be able to put me straight on this, but isn't the decision on jurors quite a big deal in terms of US litigation? More so than here?
A man who seemingly was beloved by his staff and friends and colleagues
Yes, judges have to take witnesses' credibility into account, any the fact that she lied in the English court under oath wouldn't do her any favours in that regard.I have to wonder if it negates to some extent the judge vs jury question with this case. Surely a judge would have to, purely on procedural grounds, treat her as an unreliable witness as well.
I agree, but I've seen some people on fb/twitter coming close to it, saying that if you found depp more believable in this trial you're a misogynist? Which I'm not convinced you can make that sort of conclusion based on someone's view of a celebrity trial tbhThis is the problem with Depp fanboys, they conflate Depp's legal team's curated selection of witnesses and viral marketing campaigns with reality. Notice, nobody is claiming Amber Heard is all sweetness and light, the myopic sycophancy is all team Depp.
I'm neutral on the whole thing btw, my only observation from the little attention I paid is that they both seem highly dysfunctional and probably both carry some 'fault'. I've witnessed those sort of relationships close-up IRL.
If AH can’t pay the £8.5m, can she still appeal? Or does she have to pay the fine in full before she can begin the process of appealing?
In some courts in the UK, awards start to accrue interest if they're not paid within a given amount of time. The appeal process doesn't stop the clock on that. That's just in the UK though and I'm not sure if it applies across all jurisdictions. I'm definitely not sure about the US generally or within any particular states.No, being unable to pay something won't affect rights to appeal.
I've got myself confused over the actual process of payment, i.e whether an award of damages is immediately 'payable' (in reality it would probably be a negotiated set of payments over a period of time, depending on ability to pay) or whether it waits until after appeals process*... But certainly being unable to pay wouldn't affect your right to appeal; rights to appeal are integral to rule of law type stuff.
*I think it's probably placed on hold until appeals process is complete, or you'd get weird payment-repayment shenanigans going on.
You could say that about a lot of DV victims tbh. It doesn't mean the abuse didn't happen.If anyone has done women a disservice and made it harder for them to be believed its Amber Bleedin Heard.
Falsely accused a man, co opted the metoo etc movements and rode on the coat tails of victims of DV for her own ends, lost the court case cos its so spurious.
She's the disgrace imho
But in this instance I'm certain it didn't.You could say that about a lot of DV victims tbh. It doesn't mean the abuse didn't happen.
Fuck me, I didn't miss much by not reading this thread, did I? Is there more of this incel shite?If anyone has done women a disservice and made it harder for them to be believed its Amber Bleedin Heard.
Falsely accused a man, co opted the metoo etc movements and rode on the coat tails of victims of DV for her own ends, lost the court case cos its so spurious.
She's the disgrace imho
But how would you know? Someone could easily say that for just about anyone. In fact that 'someone' is often a police officer. There's a huge problem with people not being believed because they don't 'act like a victim'But in this instance I'm certain it didn't.
But in the vast vast VAST majority of cases it did.
No-one can say for sure, but her credibility was adversely affected by her proven lying.But how would you know? Someone could easily say that for just about anyone.
Was it just the charity divorce payment or was there other stuff too? I agree that looks dodgy.No-one can say for sure, but her credibility was adversely affected by her proven lying.
And you choose to ignore Depp's proven lying. Why's that?No-one can say for sure, but her credibility was adversely affected by her proven lying.
It was the charity donation, yes, but also the reason she gave for one of the times she struck him (allegedly to protect her sister) was that she thought of Kate Moss and the stairs. Suggesting that he’d pushed Kate Moss down the stairs. So Kate Moss gave evidence that he never had.Was it just the charity divorce payment or was there other stuff too? I agree that looks dodgy.
When was he proven to have lied?And you choose to ignore Depp's proven lying. Why's that?
You're such an expert on Heard's lies, but you don't know about Depp's lies. This case has really flushed out the misogynists.When was he proven to have lied?
I'm trying to think of Depp's lies, too. Which ones?You're such an expert on Heard's lies, but you don't know about Depp's lies. This case has really flushed out the misogynists.
I just listened to the evidence. So which evidence are you referring to that proved Depp a liar?You're such an expert on Heard's lies, but you don't know about Depp's lies. This case has really flushed out the misogynists.
You're not worth engaging with. You disgust me.
I searched "depp lies heard case" and nothing came up on the first page. I don't remember him being accused of lying the accusations were more of abuse weren't they?You're not worth engaging with. You disgust me.