Humberto
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Jesus Myth Theory
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nogojones
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The spear wound in the side is suspiciously similar to Prometheus' wound where his liver keeps getting eaten. He too was strung up by his arms in penance for assisting mankind.
Makes you think, doesn't it?
In the church of Prometheus do they all bow down before a half eaten liver?
Jennaonthebeach
What would Picard do?
This i what I've decided occurred. The evidence is in the text imo. If the Romans had invented Jesus then he wouldn't have been attributed as saying all the inflammatory and anti Roman things that he did say. Also Jesus contradicts himself all over the place which is something that eastern teachers would do to provoke independent thought, but is alien to modern Christianity. I just think he was nobody special but that a legend about him grew, posthumously, to proportions that were impossible to ignore, in times when writing anything down would have been seriously risky in occupied Roman territory. There are texts, older than anything in the Bible, which suggest that Jesus was very much influenced by eastern philosophy and did not think of himself as anything but a man, and a teacher. There is a legend in India that Jesus visited in the years that is not covered at all in the scriptures, and then returns in old age to die. There's even an alleged tomb. I mean, nobody believes that he died on a cross and came back to life right? To me that all feels like a Roman fabrication. I expect when things got a big hot for him he escaped on a trade route out to India, which he'd used before when he was a younger man.
A lot of the stuff about him that is harder to believe does align with legends/beliefs that existed prior to Christianity - almost as if they just bolted on different elements to make him appeal to Roman citizens.
I mean there's also no direct evidence that Socrates actually existed either - just the writings of Plato.
The correspondences between Loki and Lucifer are also notable.
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
for 9 days. 3x3. Also Baldr and his rebirth.
Have you read The Dragonbone Chair, by Tad Williams? (Tolkien-esque fantasy) In that, the fantasy Jesus-equivalent is hanged from a tree instead of crucified, and the main symbol of the religion is the Tree instead of the Cross.
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
Ill see if theres an epub when I'm done with Rivers of London
It was the first series I read where the setting was almost explicitly based on real places, so there's an Anglo-Saxon bit, a Welsh bit, Vikings, and a Rome (former Imperial capital and now the seat of the church).
Humberto
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There are surviving complete manuscripts of gospels that predate the Roman Empire's official adoption of Christianity.
Jimmy Don't
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It's the same as the Loch Ness Monster Myth Theory. Someone once said they saw something, which they may or may not have, which they said thought was something, which it may or may not have been. The rest is just Chinese whispers and manipulation for benefit.
It's completely fucking nuts that there is still anyone who believes anything more than that as factual
It's completely fucking nuts that there is still anyone who believes anything more than that as factual
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Jimmy Don't
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There's a reasonable body of evidence that someone thought they saw Nessie. The rest is just hearsay.
Highly likely that a human called Jesus existed, probably quite a few, in fact. The rest is hearsay.
Jimmy Don't
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Had to look up 'syncretism'. Everyday's a schoolday, so cheers!
Myth???
Does it actually matter if there really was a bloke called Jesus who did some unknown things, which later got blown out of all proportion?
It would matter if there was a literal Biblical Jesus who did the things literally described. Unless all that is true, though, whatever’s left over is irrelevant.
It would matter if there was a literal Biblical Jesus who did the things literally described. Unless all that is true, though, whatever’s left over is irrelevant.
It's interesting though.
Denying the historical existence of Jesus is a quick and dirty way to 'disprove' Christianity. But I don't need to know whether he existed to know that he wasn't the Son of God (two natures in one individual who sacrificed himself to himself in order to atone for a sin that he himself provoked) or could do catering-based magic.
JimW
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Think it's a bit more matter of degrees than an either/or - if there was a teacher wandering around Palestine with a heterodox version of Judaism and making claims about being the messiah/giving the sermon on the mount it would be more significant than your bog standard religious enthusiast drawing a crowd. Why the new message, why did it catch on etc? Those theories about salvationist aspects being a draw in a slave empire, for example.
JimW
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Those debates were quite something and I still can't quite nail the difference between monophysites and miaphysites.
Well, whether or not there was an actual teacher doing those things, there were certainly people later that did those things, but just in the name of that (fictional or otherwise) teacher. So all your questions still apply and are still interesting, regardless.
JimW
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True, and I think in the long run it's the material/social background that matters but i do think individual persons and events can push history a bit to one way or another with lasting consequences.
Religions, you mean? And the material circumstances that produce them? I can grok that.
