Jesus Myth Theory
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bmd
Island in the stream.
As far as books go, are we all aware of this site for finding books? It's basically a site for free books that can be paid for everywhere else. By the same people who do the science paper sites. I would be quite surprised if there wasn't any on Christian power since the decline of the religion.
BigMoaner
We will all go together
isn't the burden on them to prove "first causes" as well? i'e causality. To have causuality you'd need a first cause. And for that you would need time. Not sure how time can exist if eternity exists. the void gets hit thinking of these things, so the normal narratives of time and space can vanish, or at least be put aside. it's up to meditator i guess to find out whats left.
BigMoaner
We will all go together
which there is of course in our awareness. the appearance of objects, of course. but even then the "knower" of the object can never truly be known. it does all fall down in my view. but teh hard core rationalist starts from different premises i guess, such as there are definitely seperate objects, and all of reality is just a coming together of them to bring life, and that those objects make up the knower.
but does that really hold up? i don't think it does. how can the knower ever be known? i don't think it can so even their starting position seems to be faulty.
but this has nothing to do with "spiritual truth" or knowing fundemental reality.
i think the buddhists call it convential reality (that of form/objects) vs fundemental reality (both being the same). but as said none of it can be truly known or understood. but old systems of thought can definitely be let go of. "I am alone and worthless" well just ask what is the I that is alone? try and find it.
Ĝasper
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I've just done a short wee blogpost with cool pictures which relate to Puritanism,
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Carl Steele
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The link doesn't seem to work, it connects to a completely different blog post.
Ĝasper
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I've refreshed the link. The connection might not be clear, but those diagrams show the psychology of Reformed Puritan faith.
CH1
"Red Guard"(NLYL)
I haven't ploughed through thus thread - but I am half-way through this, which must be the ultimate in logical deconstruction
(I actually got it from Kobo for £6.99).
RG Price is not to be confused with Robert Price the YouTuber who is currently persona non grata with History Valley etc
Deciphering the Gospels asserts that the gospel of Mark is the first - and is a life of Jesus Christ written to fulfill various prophecies in Isiah and other old Testament texts.
Matthew and Luke and John are all based on the same material says Price.
Meanwhile the Epistles of Paul are a different thing altogether he says - referring to an immaterial "Christ" who has more in common with mystery cults - including "He descended into Hell" - because he also had to ascend - as did Paul himself to the third heaven.
This where (as far as I've got) we get into the Book of Enoch. Incidentally the Book of Enoch was available to William Blake with is presumably why he created all those angelic images.
Another wayward modern analyst of scripture is SP Laurie who claims to be an Oxford educated mathematician, and self-publishes (on Amazon).
He has written a book on the Gospel of Thomas, and others on the origin of Christianity. His book on the Gospel of Thomas claims there are mistakes in the text we have - because the verses/logia have patterns - and he discusses at length what the original "correct" text must have been.
His book "The Judas War" imputes motivations for certain texts in the Old Testament - and Enoch - which cover up the betrayal of Israel by Judah at the time of the Assyrian and Babylonian invasions. I found it hard to get my head round.
I bought a third book "The Rock and the Tower" which apparently says Mary (which one?) was the founder of Christianity. I haven't read that one yet.
Fascinating - but is this really "Holy Blood and Holy Grail" stuff? It seems to me that many people "go off" on these trains of ideas in a religious context as do in conspiracy theory circles.
For reference SP Laurie's website is here:
jesusorigins.com
Deciphering the Gospels: Proves Jesus Never Existed: Amazon.co.uk: Price, R. G.: 9781483487830: Books
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RG Price is not to be confused with Robert Price the YouTuber who is currently persona non grata with History Valley etc
Deciphering the Gospels asserts that the gospel of Mark is the first - and is a life of Jesus Christ written to fulfill various prophecies in Isiah and other old Testament texts.
Matthew and Luke and John are all based on the same material says Price.
Meanwhile the Epistles of Paul are a different thing altogether he says - referring to an immaterial "Christ" who has more in common with mystery cults - including "He descended into Hell" - because he also had to ascend - as did Paul himself to the third heaven.
This where (as far as I've got) we get into the Book of Enoch. Incidentally the Book of Enoch was available to William Blake with is presumably why he created all those angelic images.
Another wayward modern analyst of scripture is SP Laurie who claims to be an Oxford educated mathematician, and self-publishes (on Amazon).
He has written a book on the Gospel of Thomas, and others on the origin of Christianity. His book on the Gospel of Thomas claims there are mistakes in the text we have - because the verses/logia have patterns - and he discusses at length what the original "correct" text must have been.
His book "The Judas War" imputes motivations for certain texts in the Old Testament - and Enoch - which cover up the betrayal of Israel by Judah at the time of the Assyrian and Babylonian invasions. I found it hard to get my head round.
I bought a third book "The Rock and the Tower" which apparently says Mary (which one?) was the founder of Christianity. I haven't read that one yet.
Fascinating - but is this really "Holy Blood and Holy Grail" stuff? It seems to me that many people "go off" on these trains of ideas in a religious context as do in conspiracy theory circles.
For reference SP Laurie's website is here:
Jesus Origins |
jesusorigins.com
Oh, I dunno. Oxford-educated, self-published authors know all kinds of shit about Jesus and stuff.
krtek a houby
Anger is Hi-NRG
Oh ye of little faith
Humberto
Justice is order
book of Isiah?
krtek a houby
Anger is Hi-NRG
No idea, not read it in forty years
8ball
AV REFUGEES WELCOME
Although it would seem more likely accurate than a book a couple of thousand years older.
Numerically speaking, I agree that the number of Jesuses was most likely higher than zero.
Humberto
Justice is order
No it's Isaiah. Was a gentle dig at click bait failings
Humberto
Justice is order
There were many christs as there are today.
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
I read a short book by this Indian author a while back and his whole deal was that christ was actually one of the deva/devi. The syncretism thoughts again. It's worked a few times tbf but I don't buy it. Even on its own terms it feels like a stretch
8ball
AV REFUGEES WELCOME
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
Jesus Christ SuperstarOoh, like Beyonce.
I struggle to understand how someone that turned water into wine, parted the seas etc can be thought of as anything but a myth. The old Testament is even worse.
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
you mean walking on water of course. The sea parting bit was Moses, being chased by Yul Brynner as Rameses
Actually it was Moses who parted the sea. Oops. But still.
Yep, I’m mixing stories up. Not difficult to do.
Humberto
Justice is order
It's not particularly unlikely if you're omnipotent?
krtek a houby
Anger is Hi-NRG
My limited understanding on him (or Him) is that he was an ordinary bloke who did and said some good things and it all got blown out of proportion. The myth mattered more than the man or the message, eventually.
The Scorsese film kind of deals with that.
Like Santa you mean? Or something else that doesn’t exist?
Humberto
Justice is order
I think a rube is a rube in any age.
Humberto
Justice is order
It does exist, Santa doesn't come into it. You didn't create yourself.
