My argument was a trifle more sophisticated than that tbf.
Jesus Myth Theory
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My argument was a trifle more sophisticated than that tbf.
PTK
Paul Kegan
I cannot imagine a worse Labour Party Leader than Starmer, therefore Starmer must exist.
CH1
"Red Guard"(NLYL)
Apparently he belongs to the Liberal Movement (of the Jewish faith) and attends the Reform Synagogue in St Jofn's Wood
ska invita
back on the other side
political scholarship considers anarchocommunism as eccentric
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
only the statists among them i think
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
David Graeber's not a political scholar?
Silas Loom
Hated by both sides
Always thought he was a bit of a knob. It’s silly to declare that everything you can’t be bothered to understand must be bullshit. And it’s certainly not scholarship.
Does Graeber do that? I rate him very highly myself.
ska invita
back on the other side
obviously not all there are plenty of anarchist academics, but the majority would still consider it an eccentric idea.... there are orthodoxies in academia is my point, and whilst blaspheme laws arent an issue today (they were in recent living memory), there must surely still be a cultural or ideological pressure to not dismantle the existence of a Jesus to some extent
Silas Loom
Hated by both sides
I only know of him in the Bullshit Jobs context. Perhaps he published widely and usefully on something else, like the habits and mating rituals of houseflies.
Not in academic philosophy afaik. Since the 1980s the dominant strain has been antilogocentrism, and Jesus is the logos. So in theological terms, postmodernist philosophy is basically Satanic.
CH1
"Red Guard"(NLYL)
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
certainly not now
CH1
"Red Guard"(NLYL)
Well you raise and interesting point which as it happens sits across two threads - the other being Hamas/Israel $c
For some reason you questioned whether conceiving that Keir Starmer is worst possible leader of the Labour Party means he therefore exists.
Not sure what this has to do with Jesus Myth theory, You call this a joke. I's say it's a high falutin piss take.
In finding the Times of Israel report is does seem to me that this throws light on Starmer's response to the current Hamas/Israel war.
As it happens it also does indicate that - if true - Starmer may be another Jesus Mythicist. Although I don;t know the rules of Reform Synagogues. Seems unlikely that even a Reform synagogue would be accepting of being "born again" or a doctrine of trinity of the godhead.
Then again I could point you to a bit of interfaith which happened in Brixton during World War II. The Brixton Unitarian Church was flattened in the blitz and the Brixton (Orthodox) Synagogue welcomed the Unitarians who held their Sunday services in the Brixton synagogue. But there were of course a least no Trinitarian conflicts there.
I do think it is good if people are open about their private beliefs - at least you know where they are coming from.
I saw a while back that Rev Giles Fraser had his son Bar Mitzvah'd - as he himself wrote in the right wing Unherd.
There was also this review of Gile Fraser's autobiographical book by the former bishop of Oxford:
Chosen by Giles Fraser review – confessions of a priest
In this absorbing memoir-cum-history of the rift between Judaism and Christianity, the former canon of St Paul’s reveals how exploring his Jewish roots saved him from depression
So why shouldn't Sir Keir Starmer be open about his motivations - like this Anglican priest who married an Israeli?
PTK
Paul Kegan
You are a bigot. Now piss off.Well you raise and interesting point which as it happens sits across two threads - the other being Hamas/Israel $c
For some reason you questioned whether conceiving that Keir Starmer is worst possible leader of the Labour Party means he therefore exists.
Not sure what this has to do with Jesus Myth theory, You call this a joke. I's say it's a high falutin piss take.
In finding the Times of Israel report is does seem to me that this throws light on Starmer's response to the current Hamas/Israel war.
As it happens it also does indicate that - if true - Starmer may be another Jesus Mythicist. Although I don;t know the rules of Reform Synagogues. Seems unlikely that even a Reform synagogue would be accepting of being "born again" or a doctrine of trinity of the godhead.
Then again I could point you to a bit of interfaith which happened in Brixton during World War II. The Brixton Unitarian Church was flattened in the blitz and the Brixton (Orthodox) Synagogue welcomed the Unitarians who held their Sunday services in the Brixton synagogue. But there were of course a least no Trinitarian conflicts there.
I do think it is good if people are open about their private beliefs - at least you know where they are coming from.
I saw a while back that Rev Giles Fraser had his son Bar Mitzvah'd - as he himself wrote in the right wing Unherd.
There was also this review of Gile Fraser's autobiographical book by the former bishop of Oxford:
Chosen by Giles Fraser review – confessions of a priest
In this absorbing memoir-cum-history of the rift between Judaism and Christianity, the former canon of St Paul’s reveals how exploring his Jewish roots saved him from depressionwww.theguardian.com
So why shouldn't Sir Keir Starmer be open about his motivations - like this Anglican priest who married an Israeli?
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Not really. I mean it was longer. Much, much longer. But length doesn't always mean sophistication.
"The Right to Bear Arms" was better anyway.
CH1
"Red Guard"(NLYL)
"I'm real close with Robert Price" the MythVision presenter says.
Funnily enough Robert Price is banned by rival mythicist YouTube channel History Valley. And was by Mythvision itself. Have they become reconciled now then?
63,385 views 27 Mar 2023 #mythvision #mvp #MythVisionPodcast
The REAL Story Behind Robert M. Price Leaving MythVisionRobert M Price has once again found a way to ruffle feathers. Recently, he shared a video created by an evangelical Christian with extreme views who gleefully mocked my emotional response to dropping Price from MythVision. The incident has led to some confusion among viewers, especially in light of Jacob Berman's recent struggles with the obstinate and unyielding Price. However, in my latest video, I offer a comprehensive explanation from my perspective, shedding light on previously undisclosed details. Let me assure you, cutting ties with Dr. Price was the smartest move I made for my channel, and my career as a whole.See my other videos about dropping Dr. Price
• Just A Few Reasons Why Derek Lambert ... • This is goodbye check out Jacob Berman's video on @History-Valley • Why I Deplatformed Robert M. Price | ... My understanding is there are two issues with Robert Price - one is he is opposed to Black Lives Matter (Marxist anti-family he says)
Secondly Price promotes Ralph Ellis - an English author who churns out books like
Ralph Ellis would appear to be the Graham Hancock of Christian history inauthor:"Ralph Ellis" - Google Search
Regarding Richard Ellis and your posted video - he seems less than radical from a European perspective I reckon.
Most of these American channels come from a background where Fundamentalist belief is more of less assumed as standard in churches.
I'd just like to point out that when Jospeph Smith was writing the Book of Mormon with the help of the Angel Moroni and the golden spectacles, Feuerbach published The Essence of Christianity - Wikipedia
Influential on Marx, says Wikipedia - except Marx was disappointed that Feuerbach was insufficiently materialist!
The English tradition- made popular by JAT Robinson's Honest to God is one of Church of England vicars who would rather sing the creed that say it!
CH1
"Red Guard"(NLYL)
I've re-watched your clip. Richard Ellis seems a bit vague - like why can't we mythicists and quasi-mythicists all get along together?
Derek says - in effect - what's new here?
Ellis - well I believe there really was a historical Jesus - but we can't really discover anything much about him from the record.
All very well - but what do the records show?
RG Price purports to show that the Gospels are the product of quotes from the Old Testament as a literary construct by Mark designed to show Jesus was the answer to ancient prophercy, echoed in Matthew, Luke and John. RG Price also points out that Paul's letters - the earliest Christian scriptures - have none of the teachings attributed to Jesus in the Gospels.
What I am looking for now is an analysis tying in the Gospel of Thomas to the Sermon in the Mount and the parables - and giving comparative dates.
Any suggestions on that? I have discovered a 2002 book which I've ordered
This by Stevan Davies Stevan Davies - Wikipedia
I've read his 1995 book Jesus the Healer. That seemed to suggest the power and vitality of early Christianity was all about healing, casting out demons and being born again. Actually Paul's letters do refer to that sort of thing as well - but not turning the other cheek etc. Maybe there is an old YouTube programme with Stevan Davies on - he had been in three BBC programmes according to his Wikipedia entry. Also a History Channel programme about Gnosticis,
I assume from his CV he's a believing Catholic.
I guess you could have a position that Jesus and Paul were at a confluence of two mystical and mythical traditions?
