Jeremy Corbyn's time is up

[Bahnhof Strasse]

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

I recall some report saying you can call members what you like apart from bastard and liar. Any experts here on parliamentary etiquette available for confirmation?

Dunno, but if I was Jez I'd have called her a silly cunt, and there'd be no ambiguity about it either.

 

[Smokeandsteam]

He's always had that arsey side to his temper.

What the past few weeks have shown, with the courting of the DUP and the will he, won't he no confidence vote is how useless a leader he is.

Yes. Everyone goes on about how 'nice' and 'decent' he is, but he always comes over as a pissy old twat when I see him on the tele.

 

[Smokeandsteam]

Hardly as offensive to human decency as May's policies are towards millions of people in this country.

I've seen this line over and again today. In identity politics are the normal rules relaxed if the 'victim' has politics we don't like?

 

[DotCommunist]

 

[Pickman's model]

I've seen this line over and again today. In identity politics are the normal rules relaxed if the 'victim' has politics we don't like?

the millions of victims or theresa may victim?

 

[Whagwan]

Hardly as offensive to human decency as May's policies are towards millions of people in this country.

How about as offensive to women as restoring the whip to two MPs under investigation for sex offences?

 

[Ptolemy]

I've seen this line over and again today. In identity politics are the normal rules relaxed if the 'victim' has politics we don't like?

No, it just highlights what vacuous theatre a lot of political discourse is - a mild insult is howled about by the party faithful while millions of children go to bed hungry each night as a result of that premier's economic policy. For me, material conditions in society trump the petty drama stoked by the handwringing columnists.

 

[Wilf]

I can't believe I just watched a video of this.

Could be woman, could be people. Unless someone has some magical device that can see into his soul, everyone can just believe what they want. No-one will apologise.

If he did say it - and it looks like he did - he should apologise for the gendered bit and then go straight onto the attack about the stupidity (universal credit, record at the home office and, oh, what's that other one - oh, yes, brexit).

 

[Smokeandsteam]

If he did say it - and it looks like he did - he should apologise for the gendered bit and then go straight onto the attack about the stupidity (universal credit, record at the home office and, oh, what's that other one - oh, yes, brexit).

He's denying it.

 

[two sheds]

Yes I think he should apologise and then demand an apology for a list of May's policies starting with the ones that have made so many people homeless and destitute.

 

[Wilf]

He's denying it.

FFS! Another tactical victory.

 

[cupid_stunt]

He was rattled by May, and clearly muttering a response to her, and her alone, to claim otherwise is not creditable.

Trouble is he's between a rock & a hard place, (1) deny it & make excuses, or (2) apologise & move on - personally I think he should have gone for option 2, but he's chosen otherwise.

 

[ska invita]

If he did say it - and it looks like he did - he should apologise for the gendered bit and then go straight onto the attack about the stupidity (universal credit, record at the home office and, oh, what's that other one - oh, yes, brexit).

Why apologise for the gendered bit? She is a woman? I think I must've missed a meeting about the pc way to insult someone.

 

[cupid_stunt]

Why apologise for the gendered bit? She is a woman? I think I must've missed a meeting about the pc way to insult someone.

Clearly you have.

 

[Sprocket.]

The current edition of Private Eye sums it up.

 

[Sprocket.]

Clearly you have.

He should have said Stupid Christian!

 

[Wilf]

Why apologise for the gendered bit? She is a woman? I think I must've missed a meeting about the pc way to insult someone.

Don't worry, it's running again after Christmas Winterval.

 

[ska invita]

Stupid person?
Seriously, Stupid ----- what else goes there?

 

[killer b]

cunt.

 

[killer b]

Fairly sure that would fall foul of parliamentary standards too, mind.

 

[Nine Bob Note]

Stupid person?
Seriously, Stupid ----- what else goes there?

Moron, halfwit, gimp, cretin, fucktard...

 

[ElizabethofYork]

So it's ok to call her stupid, but not to call her a woman?

Don't understand.

 

[Wilf]

Maybe politicians should start doing that hand over the mouth thing that footballers do when they're cunting someone off.

 

[Wilf]

So it's ok to call her stupid, but not to call her a woman?

Don't understand.

Fwiw, I have no problem with 'foolish man', 'stupid woman' and the like most of the time. It's just what it is, an attempt to insult someone tied to a factual/descriptive use of gender. But context/intent is everything. For example, in the hands of some misogynist, 'silly woman' takes on a different meaning. In the May/Corbyn case, I'd put it no stronger than it's a usage best avoided, if nothing else because it creates micro stories like this.

 

[Idris2002]

Do non-Irish people get this one?

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Do non-Irish people get this one?

I don't.

 

[Pickman's model]

Do non-Irish people get this one?

Yes: I do

 

[littlebabyjesus]

I agree that it was a very ill-judged thing to say, but it speaks volumes about the abysmal place we are currently in that the media have leapt on it as if this were August silly season.

 

[pesh]