Jeremy Corbyn's time is up

[two sheds]

or a Bishie????

 

[Mr.Bishie]

i referred of course to your sacking me

I'd never sack you comrade. My 'sacked' comment was rather a cheap sexist comment to your pic of Purdey tbh

 

[Mr.Bishie]

or a Bishie????

He'll be resigned to the infirmary (or dead) before i go full on Guy Fawkes! VP might beat me to it though.

 

[Pickman's model]

I'd never sack you comrade. My 'sacked' comment was rather a cheap sexist comment to your pic of Purdey tbh

i will withdraw my approach to the employment tribunal

 

[Mr.Bishie]

i will withdraw my approach to the employment tribunal

Grazie!

 

[existentialist]

Crabbe has gone from DWP now.

And John Major is no longer Prime Minister.

 

[Pickman's model]

Penitenziagite

 

[existentialist]

What I can't understand about the incompetence of the Corbyn office is whether it is just a question of genuine, honest failures by a team that is not used to doing all the boring stuff around running an effective opposition or whether there is something more sinister to do with the Labour party machine not deigning to offer him material support.

Well, now, umm....

You do ask some dashed tricky questions, Mister Diamond.

 

[Pickman's model]

And John Major is no longer Prime Minister.

you can discern the quality of recent prime ministers when john major's administration looks by contrast to today's a model of rectitude and honesty

 

[Pickman's model]

Well, now, umm....

You do ask some dashed tricky questions, Mister Diamond.

we can explain it to him but we cannot understand it for him

 

[Pickman's model]

Well, now, umm....

You do ask some dashed tricky questions, Mister Diamond.

also

there is in fact no question there.

 

[existentialist]

My view is that Corbyn and his team have not demonstrated anything like the level of competence required to take on the Tories and win a mandate to govern.

I think he has more immediate challenges to address right now.

As for "your view" - that would probably be true within the current paradigm, whereby two right wing parties jostle to try and offer some semblance of competition on narrow threads of interest while actually being wholly alongside each other on the bulk of their outlooks.

The point about Corbyn is that he represents something different - something which is not predicated on the notions that Blairite Labour and Thatcherite Tories jointly share about society, work, benefits, and money. If he wins, it won't because he's charmed the electorate like Ed Milliband, demonstrated the Scottish Presbyterian morality of Tony Blair, or embodied the affable, easy charm of Gordon Brown. He'll win because sufficient people are fed up and frightened of what might happen to them.

 

[ViolentPanda]

It's no fantasy.

You should know, Bish. We were trained by the best.

 

[Vintage Paw]

I didn't really think Corbyn was going to implement all working class shortlists or a 60:40 ratio, just to be clear
christ though, is it really worth playing this long game in Labour? According to that poll from a few days ago, about 40% of your own membership/supporters dislike Corbyn enough to vote for a total incompetent, unredeemable waste of space like Owen Smith. And if they boot out enough Corbyn supporters maybe they can increase that by a couple more percent. What a state Labour is in. All these battles you have to fight - what if they challenge him again? Then you've got to sort out the NEC some more, deselections, all sorts of rules in the party to overturn...

Meanwhile the closest I've heard anyone outside the internet come to a positive thing to say about Corbyn has been a bit of mild sympathy with the way he gets attacked all the time in the media - similar to Ed Miliband in that respect. It still is relatively early days I guess, but that's kind of the point too isn't it? There's such a long way to go.

There is with any method though, isn't there? It's not as if should all these new Corbyn supporters leave the party there will be a mass worker's party by the end of the year, or a non-party movement that's going to smash the state by 2020.

Whichever way you decide to challenge things, you have to be aware that it's going to take hard work and be a constant uphill struggle.

 

[ViolentPanda]

And fuck the well-fed public schoolboy saying class isn't a useful concept.

What they generally mean when they say that, is "it's not useful to me", in my experience.

 

[Mr.Bishie]

You should know, Bish. We were trained by the best.

Indeed we were. It'll be time to return the favour.

<for plod reading this, this is just a fantasy & in no way implicit>

Yet.

 

[Pickman's model]

And fuck the well-fed public schoolboy saying class isn't a useful concept.

ime denying one fits into the class system or saying that class doesn't exist is a sure sign the speaker is

a) full of shit;
b) comfortably middle class; and
c) not to be trusted.

 

[ViolentPanda]

and this being onside in cross class alliances seems usually to mean in practice middle class dominance of movements/organisations

Which means, in turn, that primarily middle class interests are represented.

 

[ViolentPanda]

I don't think Mr. Normal's had anything to say on the subject of casualisation. I don't think he cares. Neither do any of the other megalomaniacs.

Without the likes of labour casualisation, Mr Normal and his ilk can't get those big post-government paydays they believe that they're entitled to.

 

[ViolentPanda]

ViolentPanda's fave wank fantasy!

Nope, well down the (J.Arthur) rank in my wank fantasies.

 

[Mr.Bishie]

.

 

[timeforanother]

See Robert Tressell for the Labour Aristocracy. 'Middle class' is a label invented to divide.

It includes lots of unrelated groups. Black taxi drivers own a small business. People who went to university are unemployable, or bullied into working weekends without overtime.

 

[timeforanother]

People who are smug selling cupcakes do count as petite bourgeoisie

 

[two sheds]

mmmmm cupcakes

 

[Mr.Bishie]

American shite.

 

[two sheds]

(((( cupcakes ))))

 

[two sheds]

racist

 

[timeforanother]

Workers' cupcakes. Full of the blood and sweat of honest labour. I've just gone off them.

 

[Mr.Bishie]

Where was this comforting cupcake in the 70's when we were being shafted?

Baked beans & spud! Up the proles!

 

[Pickman's model]

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good point well made