Jeremy Corbyn's time is up

[The39thStep]

I haven't seen any of his other video blogs, but I thought this one was good. A bit of a contradiction to the stereotype London cabbie who is usually regarded as a right wing bigot ranting about immigrants. A lot of cabbies were previously Royal Mail drivers, bus drivers, delivery drivers and couriers, with trade union grounding, and the ones I know are all left wing (and one anarchist!).

The latter will be the one that gets lost

 

[free spirit]

Is this how policy making is done in the labour party - the leader decides the policies and that's what the policies become?

Or are these policy positions just indicative of what they'd want the platform to be that the next election, but would have to be ratified by conference or something?

Genuine question, I'm really not sure how this works.

 

[butchersapron]

Is this how policy making is done in the labour party - the leader decides the policies and that's what the policies become?

Or are these policy positions just indicative of what they'd want the platform to be that the next election, but would have to be ratified by conference or something?

Genuine question, I'm really not sure how this works.

You not a member then?

 

[coley]

You not a member then?

Seemingly they don't want some of us back, can't understand why

 

[coley]

Is this how policy making is done in the labour party - the leader decides the policies and that's what the policies become?

Or are these policy positions just indicative of what they'd want the platform to be that the next election, but would have to be ratified by conference or something?

Genuine question, I'm really not sure how this works.

It's a doddle, the PLP look at Tory policies, water them down a tad, then claim them as their own!

 

[agricola]

Yep, that's what I was trying to point out?

I think you've got the wrong end of the stick. toblerone3 was arguing for privatisation of the rail network. I was trying to highlight how disasterous it was last time.

TBH the way that it was privatized was far more relevant than the fact that they privatized it. If they had split the network regionally - into entities that controlled the track as well as stations, trains and maintenance (as Major claimed he wanted to do after it was obvious what a disaster it had become) - its hard to see how those accidents would have happened.

 

[Vintage Paw]

The platform gets voted on at conference by delegates. The majority of delegates at this year's conference are likely to be quite similar in make up to those at last year's, so don't expect too many changes to official policy (expect Tridant renewal to remain, for example).

There are 2 wings to the party, in practice (discounting the members, as they are wont to do lol). The leader, cabinet, MPs, etc, and then the administrative wing, which is McNichol and the NEC. McNichol has a lot of power. It's not an elected position - he's a civil servant, employed by the party, and has a contract like any other job (which is why he can't simply be gotten rid of). The NEC is generally the main administrative body, and in recent times McNichol and the NEC have been in step. McNichol is officially accountable to the NEC, but there are practical limits on that accountability. Now the balance of power has shifted somewhat in the NEC, McNichol's job might be slightly more complicated. The NEC vote on any administrative rule changes to the party. The exception might be if it's a significant change - like one member one vote, or changing the role of the Chair - in which case it would likely have to go to conference as well.

In reality, the leader can end up with little actual power, but nevertheless is generally deferred to (as long as he's not too left wing ). If McNichol and the NEC don't like the leader, as we have seen they can run the party how they want instead.

And then of course we have all the officials at regional level. They're also unelected employees, usually put in place by the NEC (to my knowledge). Many of the 'reluctant Corbynistas' who are long time members have been pushed over to Jez's corner in part because of the years-old culture of stitch-ups and bullshit from region. The way region is run makes a mockery of any pretense of 'democracy'. NEC and region are how and why there are parachutes that local members can usually do precious little about.

 

[nino_savatte]

He has shuffled the goalposts from very wealthy to wealthy

Yup. It's obvious that a very wealthy MP is one that has a considerable private income on top of their salary. Margaret Hodge *spits* springs to mind.

 

[Pickman's model]

Yup. It's obvious that a very wealthy MP is one that has a considerable private income on top of their salary. Margaret Hodge *spits* springs to mind.

MH the paedos' friend

 

[nino_savatte]

MH the paedos' friend

She's managed to get away with it for so long too.

 

[nino_savatte]

unlike corbyn who is a monster

He kicked my dog. The swine!

 

[bluescreen]

She's managed to get away with it for so long too.

Was that connivance or a mixture of arrogance and incompetence?

 

[Pickman's model]

Was that connivance or a mixture of arrogance and incompetence?

She didn't reckon with the pesky kids

 

[nino_savatte]

Was that connivance or a mixture of arrogance and incompetence?

All three, I reckon.

Spotlight on Abuse provides a timely reminder.

In 1992, the Evening Standard published allegations about widespread sexual abuse in children’s homes run by Islington council. It said every home contained staff who were paedophiles, pimps, or child pornographers. The leader of Islington council, Margaret Hodge, dismissed the story as “gutter journalism”, and accused Evening Standard journalists of waiting outside homes to bribe children for their stories with £50 notes.

And

In 1995 the White inquiry published its findings, which proved the Evening Standard right about its allegations. This was despite Islington council’s best efforts to frustrate the inquiry and cover their tracks, including hundreds of vital files going missing. There was one allegation, however, that the White report didn’t support. Social workers had identified 61 children who were thought to be involved in “organised, network abuse”

She had a reputation to protect. She also has considerable wealth...

 

[andysays]

Another former heavyweight enters the fray

Ed Balls describes Corbyn leadership as 'leftist fantasy'

...the remarks are made in his autobiography, Speaking Out, which also includes candid reflections on Labour's general election defeat last year...

...Mr Balls offers his reflections as MPs prepare to return to Westminster, and he prepares to appear on Strictly Come Dancing...

 

[nino_savatte]

Another former heavyweight enters the fray

Ed Balls describes Corbyn leadership as 'leftist fantasy'

All serialised in The Times too.

 

[Vintage Paw]

...Mr Balls offers his reflections as MPs prepare to return to Westminster, and he prepares to appear on Strictly Come Dancing...

That's my favourite bit

 

[Brixton Hatter]

I expect his performances on Strictly will make the Great British Public yearn for the days when he was shadow chancellor.

 

[Wilf]

I expect his performances on Strictly will make the Great British Public yearn for the days when he was shadow chancellor.

The professional dancer they get paired with has to look enthusiastic about it on the first programme. Whoever it is, if anyone wants a definition of 'smile that doesn't reach they eyes', that will be a good place to start.

 

[Hocus Eye.]

The professional dancer they get paired with has to look enthusiastic about it on the first programme. Whoever it is, if anyone wants a definition of 'smile that doesn't reach they eyes', that will be a good place to start.

I doubt if a professional dancer cares about politics. They might not even remember Ed Balls. He is long forgotten in the real world now.

 

[AnnaKarpik]

I doubt if a professional dancer cares about politics. They might not even remember Ed Balls. He is long forgotten in the real world now.

Whoa, so dancers have no interest in politics and no memory? Can you hear yourself say that out loud to a bunch of people where the only thing you know about them is they dance?

 

[timeforanother]

They are like goldfish Meet Britain's biggest, grumpiest goldfish - who terrorises cats

 

[free spirit]

You not a member then?

couldn't be even if I decided I wanted to be due to the NEC rules.

I saw someone had been refused membership simply for sharing a couple of green party facebook posts prior to the last election. It seems that you now need to have quit all activity with the Green party or any other party for at least 2 years before you could become a Labour member.

Too much on anyway at the moment to be jumping into the middle of this sort of internal political shitstorm even if I decided it was right to jump ship.

 

[free spirit]

 

[kabbes]

That really is an outrage.

 

[ska invita]

It's a doddle, the PLP look at Tory policies, water them down a tad, then claim them as their own!

Its been the other way around since new labour

 

[DotCommunist]

That really is an outrage.

'thankyou for your money but we cyberstalked you and so we'll keep them p's but you get no vote'

 

[sojourner]

Mate of mine just got told her vote's been rejected because she nominated a friend to stand for the Green Party.

 

[kabbes]

They ask if you support the aims and values *now*, not if you always have or if you've never supported anyone else. Once again, they break their own contractual wording.

 

[two sheds]

If this were Corbyn doing it there'd be the word "Stalinist" attached to every story as the papers printed them.