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Jeremy Corbyn's time is up

killer b said:
some glorious trolling here from a guy on the huffington post. :D





You can see dan punching the air for 15 minutes, then... :(
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But it does mean many tens of thousands anti-corbyn voters who may become active against him, going to be interesting times in the LP.
 
Louis MacNeice said:
Which means I've got to do what?

Cheers - Louis MacNeice
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if you're using the ghostery extension on your web browser there ought to be a button (it's a little blue ghost probably with a number on it) somewhere on your toolbar. if you click that you can choose to allow the twitter button on the drop down menu and that should sort it I think.
 
Kaka Tim said:
Owen is such a terrible choice of candidate to put against corbyn that you almost wonder if the PLP did it on purpose. A blow in with zero background in any campaigning who glided into a safe seat having worked as a fucking lobbyist for a drugs company. He's represents everything about nu-labour and its empty-suited, mealy mouthed debasement of politics that was overwhelmingly rejected at the last leadership election.

He is a worse candidate by far than any of the beige trio of Cooper, Kendal and Burnham. His desperate bullshitting about being some sort of leftwinger only makes it worse.
I hope someone challenges him to provide any evidence of any sort of campaigning work he done in the past - I bet the cunt cant even produce a single signature on a petition, let alone an example of him addressing a demo. Yeah Owen - you were deeply opposed to the iraq war - like fuck you were.

He is going to get flattened in the leadership election (in no small part as a reaction to the gerrymandering and assorted anti-membership antics of the PLP) - and corbyn will be doing his tour of packed out rallies again, his often obscured message re-broadcast. He may well end having an even bigger mandate than last time. A new NEC will have a more corbynite slant, the party will have huge number of new members who will be overwhelmingly pro-corbyn - and have full coffers.

The anti-corbyn faction have proved themselves to so fucking useless that their actions have made Corbyns position far stronger than if they'd have just carried on muttering and moaning under their breath.
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I keep getting a tickle in my brain that says "Smith is a stooge a la Eagle", but who for? Smith is certainly egotistic enough to believe he's a big cheese, but in reality he's a self-important nobody, who'd be the desperation shag at any office party. Is he being set up to show Chooks or Andy "Scott Tracey" Burnham in a better light?
 
Guineveretoo said:
It was all over the news media.

he had lots of opportunities to put her back in her box, but he simply doesn't seem to be able to think and react quickly enough for something like that.

You can that is fine, and that he is not playing the game, but the media is what gets to the GBP, and the media report what they see. (Well, sometimes...)
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Bit hard to react quickly and decisively when you have people who are supposed to be your supporters siting in a sulky hostile silence behind you, they are an absolute disgrace disgrace.
 
*i quite liked that they were quiet. it made all the yaa boo bullshit from the otherside seem even more insane than usual. I think it should become party policy!
 
Lucy Fur said:
she wasn't all that, and that 'unscrupulous boss' drivel doesnt even work. hes not the plp's boss, hes a manager. this is like when everyone in the media wet them selves over what a brilliant speech hillary benn made when it was mediocre at best.
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... and it inverts the reality where the party and its members voted for Corbyn, where they are the real 'bosses' of the MPs.
 
teqniq said:
I can entirely see your point but Congolesa Rice is very incisive in her put downs which obviously I know, is what made me laugh. She took the piss out of a QC the other day who blocked her in very short order. Managing to leave a QC short of words, quite a feat. That was a classic too.
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No drama, wasn't having a go.
 
ViolentPanda said:
I keep getting a tickle in my brain that says "Smith is a stooge a la Eagle", but who for? Smith is certainly egotistic enough to believe he's a big cheese, but in reality he's a self-important nobody, who'd be the desperation shag at any office party. Is he being set up to show Chooks or Andy "Scott Tracey" Burnham in a better light?
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I'm sure he was when it began. But it feels now like the big boys have run off home for their tea, and Smith has to front it out alone and pretend he's still feeling just as brave even now he hasn't got the hard lads standing behind him.
 
Smith isn't a stooge. He's taking a run at it for his own benefit. It's a disaster for Eagle because she was an ex cabinet minister and has been shamed completely. Her career's over. He on the other hand is a brand new MP and can only raise his profile. He's thinking that even if he's defeated, Corbyn's leadership won't go on forever and when the right get back in control of the party he'll be rewarded.
 
maomao said:
Smith isn't a stooge. He's taking a run at it for his own benefit. It's a disaster for Eagle because she was an ex cabinet minister and has been shamed completely. Her career's over. He on the other hand is a brand new MP and can only raise his profile. He's thinking that even if he's defeated, Corbyn's leadership won't go on forever and when the right get back in control of the party he'll be rewarded.
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He'll be boss - he'll be the one handing out rewards.
 
ViolentPanda said:
I keep getting a tickle in my brain that says "Smith is a stooge a la Eagle", but who for? Smith is certainly egotistic enough to believe he's a big cheese, but in reality he's a self-important nobody, who'd be the desperation shag at any office party. Is he being set up to show Chooks or Andy "Scott Tracey" Burnham in a better light?
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If the past twelve months prove anything, its that there aren't any big beasts lurking on the back-benches. They are all nobodies - which is why so many of them are described, even by themselves, as what they are/were than who they are.
 
ViolentPanda said:
I keep getting a tickle in my brain that says "Smith is a stooge a la Eagle", but who for? Smith is certainly egotistic enough to believe he's a big cheese, but in reality he's a self-important nobody, who'd be the desperation shag at any office party. Is he being set up to show Chooks or Andy "Scott Tracey" Burnham in a better light?
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Smith has long wanted to be leader, so as far as he's concerned this is his big chance.

As far as some others are concerned, this is no different to Eagle. Anyone with serious intentions towards the leadership who isn't of a Corbyn-lite bent would be absolutely stupid beyond measure to put themselves forward at the moment. To be sure, Tom Watson is holding off until next time (as long as next time isn't against Corbyn in any way), as I'm sure are people like Jarvis and possibly Ummuna, although I really do think we're seeing the Blairite-proper star wane now.

Despite hyperbole to the opposite effect, there aren't that many true Blairites left -- most of these 'moderates' are simply products of an individualist politics that doesn't understand the role of party and membership (perhaps doesn't want to understand it) and are scattered here there and everywhere between Blairism, Brownism, and various other non-nameable positions that you might simply just call soft-left/liberal. Certainly, it's easier to just say 'Blairite' but it's not strictly true, unless all we mean is 'the end result of Blair's experiments with the party.'

Anyway, the usual suspects who you would expect to have an eye on the leadership are biding their time. They'd be stupid to throw their hat in the ring while Corbyn is still leader. They'll wait for him to go -- however that might happen -- and then they'll make their move seemingly untainted by the unseemly business of coups and plots. Which is why we haven't heard a great deal from Creasy, Ummuna, Hunt, Jarvis, etc. And which is why, although we've heard a lot from Watson, he very quickly put to rest the idea that he might want to stand himself. Of course he's shot himself in the foot by being the bully boy with the unions -- they won't forget that.

Also, Burnham wants to be mayor of Manchester -- I don't think he'll stand for leader again unless something extraordinary happens that requires him to step up.
 
Vintage Paw said:
Despite hyperbole to the opposite effect, there aren't that many true Blairites left -- most of these 'moderates' are simply products of an individualist politics that doesn't understand the role of party and membership (perhaps doesn't want to understand it) and are scattered here there and everywhere between Blairism, Brownism, and various other non-nameable positions that you might simply just call soft-left/liberal. Certainly, it's easier to just say 'Blairite' but it's not strictly true, unless all we mean is 'the end result of Blair's experiments with the party.'.
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I'll give you a bare-bones definition, and one that seems to fit with Smith:

A Blairite talks not of collective achievement but of spreading opportunity. A Blairite talks not of community but of hard-working families. To a Blairite, each voter is to be appealed to in terms of what you can do for them and their family - appeal to enough of these narrow individualist-framed self-interests and you win power. A Blairite is a variant on a Tory, essentially, but one who has chosen to make their way through politics in the Labour party, perhaps because they think the Tories have too much class-based baggage to make the necessary wide appeal, or perhaps because their liberal social values feel like a poor fit with the Tory bigots.

A Blairite is not so much a legacy of Blair as a legacy of Thatcher. We're nearly at the US-style situation where declaring yourself pro-choice and in favour of gay marriage is enough to be 'left-wing'.
 
The latest from a Saving Labour lieutenant. Notice how she doesn't bother proposing any alternative, just focuses on attacking Corbyn so much so that she seems unaware of the inconsistency in following a string of attacks on him for being too left-wing by now apparently attacking him for not being left-wing enough.

Corbyn identifies inequality as one of the great social ills of our time. Okay excellent, agreed. So what’s his solution to this, after almost a year as leader and lifetime of left wing radicalism? “Equal pay audits for companies of more than 21 people”. Really? Is that the best he has to offer? A rehash of legislation pioneered by the Labour Government in 2010 that the Conservatives committed to. Are we really splitting up the Labour Party for this.
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littlebabyjesus said:
I'll give you a bare-bones definition, and one that seems to fit with Smith:

A Blairite talks not of collective achievement but of spreading opportunity. A Blairite talks not of community but of hard-working families. To a Blairite, each voter is to be appealed to in terms of what you can do for them and their family - appeal to enough of these narrow individualist-framed self-interests and you win power. A Blairite is a variant on a Tory, essentially, but one who has chosen to make their way through politics in the Labour party, perhaps because they think the Tories have too much class-based baggage to make the necessary wide appeal, or perhaps because their liberal social values feel like a poor fit with the Tory bigots.

A Blairite is not so much a legacy of Blair as a legacy of Thatcher. We're nearly at the US-style situation where declaring yourself pro-choice and in favour of gay marriage is enough to be 'left-wing'.
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Or right wing.
 
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