Jeremy Corbyn's time is up

[coley]

Yup they don't get issued if you can get to the toilet. Fuck sake.

Don't want to derail, but most people who have toilet assistance, have it because they can't get to the toilet without assistance! What world do these people live in?

 

[nino_savatte]

PMSL. The coup plotters are having a laugh. These two aren't electable.
Labour divisions widen as anti-Corbyn leadership rivals turn on each other

 

[HoratioCuthbert]

Can't find it, just the progress drone, er, droning, lots of advert placements though, B&Q and Asda etc certainly endorse 'progress'

You on iPhone? You scroll all the way down the bottom of the page and then click on where it says comments and they come up then. But I've screenshotted for you:

 

[HoratioCuthbert]

Don't want to derail, but most people who have toilet assistance, have it because they can't get to the toilet without assistance! What world do these people live in?

I might have seemed like I was arguing with you, I meant if you are assisted to go to the toilet- you'd not likely to be issued pads, as you'd be partially continent or something- maybe we are talking at cross purposes?

 

[coley]

You on iPhone? You scroll all the way down the bottom of the page and then click on where it says comments and they come up then. But I've screenshotted for you: View attachment 89644

Thanks, can't use the link, every buggers asleep and I can't use headphones

 

[coley]

I might have seemed like I was arguing with you, I meant if you are assisted to go to the toilet- you'd not likely to be issued pads, as you'd be partially continent or something- maybe we are talking at cross purposes?

No, we agree, people who are incontinent or are partially incontinent and who need pads shouldn't be deprived of whatever assistance they need, whether it is pads or carer assistance.

 

[coley]

You on iPhone? You scroll all the way down the bottom of the page and then click on where it says comments and they come up then. But I've screenshotted for you: View attachment 89644

Love it, though, Shytehawk may have scanned it slightly better

 

[DaveCinzano]

PMSL. The coup plotters are having a laugh. These two aren't electable.
Labour divisions widen as anti-Corbyn leadership rivals turn on each other

...Tom Watson, in an article in the Observer, slams Corbyn...Also writing in the Observer, Eagle...turns on Corbyn

SHOCKED, I say, SHOCKED

 

[squirrelp]

A thought struck me. I am actually happier having Corbyn leading an opposition than having a Blairite-led Labour government.

Would the Iraq war have happened had the Tories been in power, and Corbyn leading the opposition?

I think the answer is no.

 

[DotCommunist]

A thought struck me. I am actually happier having Corbyn leading an opposition than having a Blairite-led Labour government.

Would the Iraq war have happened had the Tories been in power, and Corbyn leading the opposition?

I think the answer is no.

think about the carve up. Money wise. Recon they would. Besides, need to keep tight with Uncle Sam etc business as usual

 

[FabricLiveBaby!]

PMSL. The coup plotters are having a laugh. These two aren't electable.
Labour divisions widen as anti-Corbyn leadership rivals turn on each other

“Angela needs to be very careful,” said the source. “It is not a question of who deserves to be leader; it is about the best possible candidate to beat Jeremy.”

That's the problem there for Labour.

They make the same argument for "Beating the Tories". It ain't about the policies, or the person, but their ability to beat the bogey man.

They just don't get why that won't work.

 

[squirrelp]

think about the carve up. Money wise. Recon they would. Besides, need to keep tight with Uncle Sam etc business as usual

Well but the point is a warmongering Labour party is not going find much opposition with a Tory party. However a warmongering Tory party is certainly going to find substantial opposition with a Labour party with Corbyn at the helm.

 

[tim]

Oh dear, she's going soft. Surely, it should be Stalinesque henchmen putting a bullet in the back of the neck.

 

[Sifta]

Leading plotter's sharp political analysis:

 

[Mr.Dogg]

I had no idea that I was such a monster for supporting Corbyn, but thankfully the Observer has put me straight. Oblivious to the fact that most Corbyn supporters are actually its readers, it pumps out pieces pushing Eagle's stance, an interview with Owen Smith and a piece by Tom Watson. They then have a nice editorial piece that declares us all rapists and mysogynists because of a few tossers on the internet (they must not use the internet often because Mysogyny and rape threats seem to appear in any discourse about anything on youtube):

The party is no longer even capable of providing a space for a respectful political discourse. Some of its MPs and elected officials are receiving death and rape threats, many from those who appear to be supporters of Jeremy Corbyn’s leadership.

Last week, the party took the unprecedented step of suspending constituency party meetings until after the leadership election so as to avoid the risk of intimidation and abuse at local level.

It is a grim state of affairs when one MP, Luciana Berger, received an email message saying: “You’re going to get it like Jo Cox did”; when party representatives detail the abuse and intimidation that they have been subjected to; when constituency staff have to contend with bricks being thrown through windows at their place of work.

Much of the abuse is aimed at female MPs and many Labour insiders cite a growing misogyny among some of those activists who are deploying social media to campaign on behalf of Corbyn.

The Labour leadership needs to be emphatic and persistent in denouncing this fetid, vile atmosphere that has emerged –coincidentally? – since they came to power 10 months ago.

Corbyn voted against a secret ballot for the vote by the party’s national executive committee on whether he would need to secure nominations from his parliamentary colleagues to go on the leadership ballot – despite female representatives on that committee pleading for a secret ballot for fear of further harassment.

The Observer view on the Labour party | Observer editorial

Also annoying in that piece is the continued myth it pushes about:

That can only happen if it appeals to a far greater constituency than it does at present. And that will be a long, hard road.

Or it can choose a much easier option and restrict itself to a narrow set of slogans that allow it to bathe in self-indulgence while the rest of the country turns its back or, more likely, turns to Ukip, the Tories, the Lib Dems or the Greens.

This may be terrific for those activists who show disdain for actually winning elections, but will be less fun for that constituency of people who have historically relied on the party to work on its behalf in parliament.

Because it keeps up the presumption that it will guarantee a win if it a adopts a centre/right stance. If you sell out people with disabilities, people on benefits etc and then fail to get elected (as has happened in the last two elections) how have you helped them at all?! It's actually more detrimental than standing up for them because you've conceded the argument to the Tories and helped to demonise them.

And finally, the Observer finishes off by relieving itself on it's readers with a piece by Nick Cohen, which I'm not even going to bother reading or linking!

 

[mauvais]

Has The People's Brick had a second outing, or is it still a singular window that it's laid waste to?

 

[two sheds]

From that Guardian article:

Last week, the party took the unprecedented step of suspending constituency party meetings until after the leadership election so as to avoid the risk of intimidation and abuse at local level.

Is it unprecedented? I thought the Labour rules say you can't have CLP meetings while there's a leadership campaign (I may be wrong).

CLP meetings are also allowed to deal solely with the leadership, and to carry on essential business - there's a local one down here next week. So not *that* bothered about intimidation and abuse at local level.

 

[AnnaKarpik]

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And finally, the Observer finishes off by relieving itself on it's readers with a piece by Nick Cohen, which I'm not even going to bother reading or linking!

I have read it, or at least in part - cannot manage that much shit in one sitting - to add to a complaint to the Beeb about this particular wankstain. In particular I have been following the links given in his article and have yet to find one that says what Cohen says or implies about it. Starting to feel pretty frightened for the world because I doubt there will be anyone with a national platform to call him out on this.

 

[Treacle Toes]

'Who cares about the grassroots' - 11 months ago - John McTernan

 

[Louis MacNeice]

'Who cares about the grassroots' - 11 months ago - John McTernan

McTernan and others should listen to that and think about why McTernan repeatedly says he has 'no idea' why people are supporting the people and policies they are. It is startling that he doesn't see his lack of any idea as to why things are they way they are, as being his problem.

Cheers - Louis MacNeice

 

[Libertad]

McTernan and others should listen to that and think about why McTernan repeated says he has 'no idea' why people are supporting the people and policies they are. It is startling that he doesn't see his lack of any idea as to why things are they way they are, as his being his problem.

Cheers - Louis MacNeice

His Twitter profile pic really fucks me off, his adoption of an IWW poster is just taking the piss. Cunt.

John McTernan (@johnmcternan) on Twitter

 

[Xenonxenon]

"Gordon Brown and Ed Milliband trashed" the Labour party...

 

[Combustible]

I had no idea that I was such a monster for supporting Corbyn, but thankfully the Observer has put me straight. Oblivious to the fact that most Corbyn supporters are actually its readers, it pumps out pieces pushing Eagle's stance, an interview with Owen Smith and a piece by Tom Watson. They then have a nice editorial piece that declares us all rapists and mysogynists because of a few tossers on the internet (they must not use the internet often because Mysogyny and rape threats seem to appear in any discourse about anything on youtube):

They also use the abuse of Luciana Berger as something to smear Corbyn supporters with. The person who admitted doing it has a history of sending abuse to female public figures, including Caroline Criado-Perez. No evidence for anything to do with supporting Corbyn and I think its very unlikely that he does. The other people convicted of abusing Berger are far right.

 

[Pugnax]

Pretty great headline/pic combo here though:


"You call that a coup?"

 

[Pugnax]

A thought struck me. I am actually happier having Corbyn leading an opposition than having a Blairite-led Labour government.

Would the Iraq war have happened had the Tories been in power, and Corbyn leading the opposition?

I think the answer is no.

Watching that video of the director of Progress showing people how to buy and operate a folding table from B&Q (just lol), I was pretty much thinking the same thing. There's something particularly depressing about hearing somebody repeating the mantra "A parlimentary route to our socialism", when I know that that 'sociallism' still won't give a fuck about me and the struggles I face.

 

[J Ed]

Kill em all

 

[J Ed]

Pro-austerity, pro-nuclear annihilation

What's not to love?

 

[agricola]

Pro-austerity, pro-nuclear annihilation

What's not to love?

"for the agency worker's bomb"

 

[Casually Red]

Oh dear, she's going soft. Surely, it should be Stalinesque henchmen putting a bullet in the back of the neck.

There's a few weeks left. She's ....they...just warming up.

 

[Casually Red]

I have read it, or at least in part - cannot manage that much shit in one sitting - to add to a complaint to the Beeb about this particular wankstain. In particular I have been following the links given in his article and have yet to find one that says what Cohen says or implies about it. Starting to feel pretty frightened for the world because I doubt there will be anyone with a national platform to call him out on this.

Peston seemed to be calling some of this stuff out a while back but it looks like his chain was yanked .