J30 strike: NUT, PCS, UCU, ATL call for a general strike on June 30th
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ymu
Niall Ferguson's deep-cover sock-puppet
Yes. Strikes have to cause problems with childcare, unfortunately - although marking can be a big deal at the right time of year (like, umm, now). It's really important that this is set in a broad enough context that parents will largely support the action, and add their weight to calls for these cunts to back the fuck down.
there are a lot of idiots about too who think teachers have it easy. I stayed with a teacher the other week and while i went out with her bloke she was stuck marking books all night - UNPAID - the unions need to get across this disgraceful state of affairs. Unpaid labour is stealing by the employer....
Balbi
Hey, Dean Yager!
That's everyday for teachers though. I could probably get a private sector job for 21k a year, work 9 - 5 - take no work home with me, get my statutory holidays etc and have a much less stressful life.
But I want to do my job.
ymu
Niall Ferguson's deep-cover sock-puppet
Yeah. The devaluing of teaching is such a ridiculous strategy too. If you don't want to have to pay them more, you have to treat them well. It's takes a true moron to try and cut wages and pensions whilst spitting in their faces and calling them layabouts. 
If you're good at something, you cannot possibly be more productive than teaching others to be good at it too, and send your skills cascading out through countless generations. Teach, and your skills will be useful for more lifetimes than you could possibly count. There's nothing more inspiring than that, and when it comes to school teaching, teaching itself is the skill. It has a bigger impact than anything else. Help people teach well, and allow them to teach well, and the gains are immense. And the first step to achieving that is to value them, not denigrate them. How the fuck is anyone supposed to do their job well under a constant barrage of sneery ignorant criticism?
If you're good at something, you cannot possibly be more productive than teaching others to be good at it too, and send your skills cascading out through countless generations. Teach, and your skills will be useful for more lifetimes than you could possibly count. There's nothing more inspiring than that, and when it comes to school teaching, teaching itself is the skill. It has a bigger impact than anything else. Help people teach well, and allow them to teach well, and the gains are immense. And the first step to achieving that is to value them, not denigrate them. How the fuck is anyone supposed to do their job well under a constant barrage of sneery ignorant criticism?
Lo Siento.
Second As Farce
tbh, all professions get denigrated as soon as they contest the government or business over anything. Including jobs as unambiguously heroic as firefighter.
ymu
Niall Ferguson's deep-cover sock-puppet
And it's usually a good strategy, to make the attack politically possible.
What they've forgotten is that they're attacking approximately 70% of the population in one way or another, 25% public sector workforce (and their families), all women in work, everyone claiming benefits or tax credits (approx 30%?), grandparents who will be doing more unpaid childcare and taking in destitute younger generations just as they should be enjoying retirement and an easy life, small businessmen who see them designing tax breaks for multinationals whilst choking off training opportunities and increasing graduate pay demands.
They're trying to demonise and hurt too many groups all at the same time. They're telling us we're all shit and deserve no better, basically, and expecting us to agree.
They're quite stupid. We'll win.
What they've forgotten is that they're attacking approximately 70% of the population in one way or another, 25% public sector workforce (and their families), all women in work, everyone claiming benefits or tax credits (approx 30%?), grandparents who will be doing more unpaid childcare and taking in destitute younger generations just as they should be enjoying retirement and an easy life, small businessmen who see them designing tax breaks for multinationals whilst choking off training opportunities and increasing graduate pay demands.
They're trying to demonise and hurt too many groups all at the same time. They're telling us we're all shit and deserve no better, basically, and expecting us to agree.
They're quite stupid. We'll win.
Lo Siento.
Second As Farce
the problem comes if people think, "well, I'm getting fucked, why shouldn't they get fucked too?"
agricola
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ymu
Niall Ferguson's deep-cover sock-puppet
It's up to us, isn't it. Workers who think like that are condemning themselves to an ever downward spiral. That's one of the arguments we have to win. We have to show how much wages have fallen as a % of GDP. How they have fallen, or barely risen, in real terms for 30 years for almost all of us, including the very, very well paid. How the private sector gets away with ignoring NMW legislation, and stealing people's tax and stamp, whilst the public sector can't even pay a contractor without proof that they're registered for tax.
The narrative is being stretched to surreal limits right now, with bankers taking home billions in bonuses whilst they shift the cost of their continued existence onto those who have no power to influence the outcomes, and can always be forced to assume the risk whilst never seeing the profits - when those go up, wages as a % of GDP fall, you see.
If we can't make sufficient numbers of people angry, given that we have truth, evidence, history, economics and all of academe on our side, we don't deserve a revolution. If we end up watching the uprisings in Asia with awe, whilst still impotently kicking air here, I'll be very fucked off about it.
The narrative is being stretched to surreal limits right now, with bankers taking home billions in bonuses whilst they shift the cost of their continued existence onto those who have no power to influence the outcomes, and can always be forced to assume the risk whilst never seeing the profits - when those go up, wages as a % of GDP fall, you see.
If we can't make sufficient numbers of people angry, given that we have truth, evidence, history, economics and all of academe on our side, we don't deserve a revolution. If we end up watching the uprisings in Asia with awe, whilst still impotently kicking air here, I'll be very fucked off about it.
articul8
Dishonest sociopath
Amazing indeed - but presumably this is the TUC saying - look don't rock the boat too hard just yet (while we're negotiating) - we have to take everyone with us so the pace will be set by the slowest etc. Stick with us and we'll work with you..
I don't know how uncut is structured but I hope it doesn't have the kind of centralised leadership that could easily be bought off by this stuff
and the ironic thing is the government would probably say teachers have it cushy
this is the way of thinking for all sad bastards, the way the Govt WANT them to think
_angel_
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MPs get even longer holidays, loads more pay and massive pensions. I'm not sure how they have the nerve to attack "public sector workers gold plated pensions" because obviously, they are the prime example of that!
ymu
Niall Ferguson's deep-cover sock-puppet
Funny how these things never get put into context, eh. I liked this tweet, on the hypocrisy of doctors.
SpineyNorman
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I wouldn't take that as being indicative of the public mood, it's certainly not what I've been hearing. Sky do have an obvious agenda - I'm not saying such views don't exist, clearly they do - but it wouldn't surprise me in the least if the Sky News team had to ask quite a few people before they got the "right" answer.
Still depressing that people think like that though.
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
not as if Sky News would deliberately choose to show people who say what Sky News would like them to say, is it?
BigTom
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no it doesn't.. there is a central group who do the website, @ukuncut twitter feed and facebook page, and call national days of action but all the local groups are essentially independent from the central group.. it's a network structure not a top-down heirarchical structure.
Things might slow down a bit if the central group decided to be bought off, as they wouldn't call a national day of action which usually spurs quite a few actions, but there would still be local groups doing stuff - there were iirc 4 actions listed for the 30th before ukuncut called a national day of action, and I expect some of the ones added afterwards were already being planned..
BigTom
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I agree with this, however, it's worth noting (and mentioning to parents, esp. those with primary age children) that under section 57a of the employment act 1996, if you can't get childcare and need it because of a strike, you should be entitled to time off.. secondary age children might not work because it might be reasonable for them to be left on their own for the day.. I have no idea if this time off would be paid or not.
(ianal obviously, information came from IWW members)
e2a I'm fully supportive of teachers going out on indefinite strike in the autumn. I think it'll have to be that to stop the changes to the pension scheme. It'll be an argument that will need to be won with parents to make sure they are banging on at the government to back down, not the teachers.
'I wouldn't take that as being indicative of the public mood, it's certainly not what I've been hearing. Sky do have an obvious agenda - I'm not saying such views don't exist, clearly they do - but it wouldn't surprise me in the least if the Sky News team had to ask quite a few people before they got the "right" answer.'
Still depressing that people think like that though.
i agree with that, all the media will be playing this game in the coming months, but they also vox popped other who vigourously defended the teachers, etc.
Still depressing that people think like that though.
i agree with that, all the media will be playing this game in the coming months, but they also vox popped other who vigourously defended the teachers, etc.
Fedayn
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articul8
Dishonest sociopath
would be typical of Prentis to talk up his game in advance of the conference then back down immediately after
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
Any guesses?
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
This is a 'desired' outcome according to a TUC document allegedly leaked
dylans
overlord of all acorns
BNP?
