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Is the High Street doomed

No one wants shops now, they cost extra to run. I’m setting up footwear for a small remade retro brand who sells only online. They’re not cheap because everything is sustainable and they pay living wages. My client told me about other brands and told me about one that was similar to theirs, ‘but they have some shops so that means everything is £20 more expensive than we are.’
I am loath to buy clothes of any description on line least of all shoes. I want to make sure they are right before buying with regards to fit, comfort, colour, feel and materials. 😔
 
I am loath to buy clothes of any description on line least of all shoes. I want to make sure they are right before buying with regards to fit, comfort, colour, feel and materials. 😔
We’re fitting everything properly, no slapdash going on. A decent online business should also monitor returns and why they’ve been returned. So if there’s a common problem, it can be fixed. I know what you mean, but no one will sink money into stores now it’s considered high risk. It is depressing though. When I go to the component fair in Milan I’d always visit the independent shoe shops. Except they’ve all gone now, the good ones, every last one. To be turned into Zara etc. The only place left is the department store. I loved Fiorucci, it was a huge basement store, like an indoor market. Full of crazy shit, mad clothing, gifts etc, quite inexpensive. They sold the lease to H&M, it’s so boring!
 
I wonder if South Molton's best gambit (and I don't know if its all under one ownership, West End streets are more likely to be) is to take a gamble on giving up shops on the cheap initially to young designers straight out of Central St Martins/selling around Brick Lane and try to attract the big money from Bond St round the corner as a place to find The Next Big Thing. Be sure to advertise in Chinese and Japanese as well to get the high end fashion tourist bucks. If that worked out as a loss leader could be a more sustainable model, and the small shops would be ok for a label just starting out.
 
We’re fitting everything properly, no slapdash going on. A decent online business should also monitor returns and why they’ve been returned. So if there’s a common problem, it can be fixed. I know what you mean, but no one will sink money into stores now it’s considered high risk. It is depressing though. When I go to the component fair in Milan I’d always visit the independent shoe shops. Except they’ve all gone now, the good ones, every last one. To be turned into Zara etc. The only place left is the department store. I loved Fiorucci, it was a huge basement store, like an indoor market. Full of crazy shit, mad clothing, gifts etc, quite inexpensive. They sold the lease to H&M, it’s so boring!
I can point you in the direction or one or two good independent British shoemakers in London but am astonished you cannot find an indie in Milan.
They love their fashion/style there almost more than anywhere \\\\\\i can thinkof.
 
I've got to say my local high street seems pretty healthy. People working from home and buying coffees/sandwiches locally rather than in town, pottering round at lunchtime etc. Even the slightly dead back street has got a decent amount of junk shops on it now.
 
My local high street is a bit sad and rundown.
There is a large Tesco around the corner you know free parking lots of products etc etc ..
 
I looked up a small/medium vacant shop on a nice market town in east anglia (!) and it was 28k pax. Quick maths makes me wonder how the hell a small independent shop would ever make enough to turn a profit on that? And there are a fair few such shops around.
 
Carmarthen is dead. Deader than dead. This is a (the?) middle class town of my county and there's virtually nothing left. Down the road is Ammanford, a town killed by Thatcher's victory in the Miner's strike, never recovered, but now Carmarthen looks pretty much the same. I've never seen anything like it in a supposedly (relatively) well-off town. It's not just the 'High Street' and the main pedestrianised shopping bit. It's every shopping bit. Every street. The streets used to be full. I was there on Monday and I reckon I passed a handful of people at most on each street. Ghost town.
 
I can point you in the direction or one or two good independent British shoemakers in London but am astonished you cannot find an indie in Milan.
They love their fashion/style there almost more than anywhere \\\\\\i can thinkof.
Yes I know many of the London ones, I either collab or pass work on. But the indie designer shoe boutiques have gone. London ones also. Remember Kate Kuba? Poste Mistress? Sure you can go in Prada or whatever clothing store and get shoes there, you can go to the dept store (where the shoe floor is run by Kurt Geiger who are British) but the indies have gone. I texted my friend who makes shoe samples in Rome when I was last there, because one of them had paper over the windows like it was being refurbed and she texted me back, ‘Zara, they offered a lot of money’. That was pre pandemic, wonder what it’s like now?
 
I've got to say my local high street seems pretty healthy. People working from home and buying coffees/sandwiches locally rather than in town, pottering round at lunchtime etc. Even the slightly dead back street has got a decent amount of junk shops on it now.
Where I live now rents are dirt cheap £50 - £100 a week. The village where we winter moor has a post war shopping parade. Every unit is taken. Theres a sewing and knitting shop which does classes and ad hoc teaching (just ask her) and repairs, a thai cafe, a bakery, a reptile/tropical fish store, & the usual hairdressers, chippy etc. At the other end of town every unit in that shopping parade is taken except one. Another shop keeper said its because its owned by a London based landlord and they are asking too much.
 
Worthing seems to be doing OKish, although I admit I've not been into the 'retail town centre' since sometime before covid, but apparently we have less than half the UK average of empty retail premises, and, of course, many places have higher than the average. :(
 
lloyds pharmacies closing...

My local Lloyds Pharmacy has had online complaints about poor service for years. Since changing name people have been praising a huge improvement. People will use good shops.
 
It’s noticeable how many shops and cafes have closed in the City. The likes of Fenchurch Street are just rows of empty shops under the office buildings. These places were all occupied pre-Covid, and pretty busy too.
 
It’s noticeable how many shops and cafes have closed in the City. The likes of Fenchurch Street are just rows of empty shops under the office buildings. These places were all occupied pre-Covid, and pretty busy too.
Many people are now working from home once or twice a week. Mrs Tag ( and her staff ) now all work from home two days a week if not more, thats 40% of the time.
City places don't receive the tourist flow.
 
I am not convinced by the locals thing, recent trips to Croydon and Farnborough and neither looked healthy. There was somewhere else
which I can't remember now. I am not sure Brighton in the Laines area has faired well either.
 
I am not convinced by the locals thing, recent trips to Croydon and Farnborough and neither looked healthy. There was somewhere else
which I can't remember now. I am not sure Brighton in the Laines area has faired well either.
Croydon is (or was) a destination shopping area though, not really a local one. That is looking very miserable, it's true.
 
After one of my occasional incursions into town today, I'm more convinced than ever that my local High St could only benefit from a small tactical device! The latest bright idea for regeneration is to remove the decades long moratorium on new licenced premises - so the local usual-suspects are taking over the empty shops for places to eat and drink that only a few can afford and won't even be open for most of the day.

Even the charity shops are moving out..!
 
Croydon is (or was) a destination shopping area though, not really a local one. That is looking very miserable, it's true.
Touted as second only to London at one point, what with the flyover, underpass, tall buildings, commerce, shopping centres....and now
 
I don't see drive throughs killing the high street but there are not great

Drive throughs have become big here. A friend moved from a busy suburban high st chain place to become the manager of a new drive through on one of the main roads but for the first couple of years it really struggled. During and post-pandemic however, their three drive through locations went straight into the top five in the city and stayed there since, for sit-in and drive through. Only their two most central locations attract more customers now and that is mainly due to a retail footprint and lunchtime trade as the offices returned to work.

Even where locally-owned firms are concerned, most of the ones I've seen succeed post-pandemic have been places who opened or relocated to somewhere with vehicle access to at least some part of their trade - One bakery operates three honesty boxes in neighbouring towns which account for most of their traditional market sales, whilst the bakery itself is now thriving as more of a cafe than a traditional bakers shop after the bakery goes out to the boxes in the early mornings. Another larger Inverness-based firm is expanding right through the North East and all their new locations have a drive-through/vehicle access element and they have taken-over several former filling stations and a tourist info place for this very reason.
 
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I think we may also just be past peak stuff. Leisure time spent in the pursuit of conspicuous consumption may be on the wane, with younger people not having the space to store or display stuff and generally more concern for the environmental consequences of buy-and-bin. And nobody needs to go shopping for CDs or DVDs, for example.
 
I think we may also just be past peak stuff. Leisure time spent in the pursuit of conspicuous consumption may be on the wane, with younger people not having the space to store or display stuff and generally more concern for the environmental consequences of buy-and-bin. And nobody needs to go shopping for CDs or DVDs, for example.
I think for a swathe of the middle-aged, middle-class conspicuous consumption now comes in the form of purchasing off-the-shelf "experiences". Their presence on the high street is more peripheral and fleeting. Remember getting your toes nibbled by fish in the mall?
 
I think we may also just be past peak stuff. Leisure time spent in the pursuit of conspicuous consumption may be on the wane, with younger people not having the space to store or display stuff and generally more concern for the environmental consequences of buy-and-bin. And nobody needs to go shopping for CDs or DVDs, for example.
I still do. We have talked about streaming or buying download stuff but I just cant do it.
There is nothing like having an actual album for the cover, for the sleeve notes, for stamping your character on your home.
There is nothing like going in to a shop and having a flick through the discs and also chatting to sales assistants about them.
I once dated a sales assistant who I met while buying records bit thats a different story.
 
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