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Is Covid over? To what extent have you gone back to 'normal'?

To what extend have you gone back to normal?

  • My life is very similar to pre-covid times, lots of indoor socialising /activities

    Votes: 9 10.5%
  • I do some indoor socialising / activities but it is significantly less than pre-covid

    Votes: 33 38.4%
  • I do some indoor socialising / activities but keeping it to a low level (minimum for mental health)

    Votes: 18 20.9%
  • I am only doing essential indoor activities (eg shops / public transport)

    Votes: 15 17.4%
  • I am pretty much still behaving as though there is a lockdown

    Votes: 9 10.5%
  • It's just the flu! Do your research!!!!111

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • What does 'normal' mean anyway? Pedants / smart arse option

    Votes: 2 2.3%

  • Total voters
    86
I've thought about that as well Reno, I think worry does seem to be higher among those on here and doesn't match my peers outside this place (even those who were very cautious pre-vaccine and at the height of the pandemic have eased off now mostly). Think it's something to do with age and risk factors/underlying conditions maybe? Or maybe the work people do makes them higher risk, or there's higher than average levels of generalized anxiety, or just those that are worried post more so we get a false impression of it?

Sorry you're having a hard time btw, hope things improve.
I find it so hard to be brief but I'll try by just chucking a few things out there to start with, rather than trying to cover everything comprehensively:

Some reading between the lines is required in order to see the full u75 picture. eg a lot of the people who have gone closer to normal behaviour arent active in the pandemic subforum, or dont want to stick their head above the parapet. At least not at the earliest opportunity, especially when previous stances that we could go back to normal were demonstrated to be premature.

Plus:

We have a ridiculous number of ongoing cases, and there are still very real concerns about our healthcare systems ability to cope.

We simply have not yet gone beyond the phase where government has to rely on people modifying their behaviour in order for the system to cope. And its only been a few months since this was demonstrated quite vividly, during the period when 'freedom day' was delayed and people were asked to do their bit.

Likewise things like the booster jabs requires that people still take things rather seriously in order to achieve reasonable uptake.

Some people are trying to compensate for what they see as terrible government handling of the pandemic, and behaviours of other people that they consider problematic.

My personal conclusions for now: Its normal, its expected, and I expect this picture to change further. I have no doubt that another big chunk of society will move further back to normal with the passage of time so long as we have a greater sense of the system coping and case numbers being more under control. I expect that if we get through autumn and early winter without a big spike and/or too high a level of grinding pressure on the NHS, more people will start to move on. I know I will.

As for comparisons to the personal risk from flu, thats a messy subject and I will probably argue some of the details of that in later posts. In any case attitudes towards personal risk are often wildly imprecise and in this pandemic its been about far more than that anyway. And it is quite correct that peoples sense of risk shoots up if the broader NHS is under threat, since this creates many opportunities for indirect pandemic danger to an individuals health. Unknowns about long covid add to this lack of confidence about personal risk. Unknowns about waning vaccine immunity add further to this, especially for those deemed vulnerable.
 
Regarding claims about personal risk when vaccinated being comparable to flu, I'd need to see the sums for that so I could get into the detail. And a persons age will still make quite a difference to their personal risk, so I doubt there is one simple, neat answer.

Plus such risk numbers have to be combined with how much Covid is actually around. And the bottom line for authorities is hospital strain, so in my book even if an individuals risk was similar when looked at in isolation, what matters is how all these numbers add up in terms of daily hospitalisations.

Here is a very simple statistic from todays news which should demonstrate why peoples ongoing concerns in England are not at all misplaced:

Covid-19 was the third leading cause of death in England in August, up from the ninth leading cause in July, the Office for National Statistics (ONS) says.

This is the highest ranking for Covid since March, when it was also the third leading cause of death.

(from the 10:58 entry of BBC live updates page https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-58635383 )

if flu was the third leading cause of death during a summer month then I think attitudes towards flu would be rather different! I rest my case.
 
started a new job 2 weeks ago, which involves train commuting to central london again (at the time i was offered the job - some months ago - it wasn't clear at that time just how much office / home based it was going to be, but it's going to be office based)

train noticeably busier today than the last 2 weeks.

blargh.

i have come down with something.

in the old days, it would probably have been a 'dose up and get to work' day but as it is, managed to get a drive-in covid test today, and now self isolating until i get results.

colds don't usually start with a temperature (realised late evening yesterday that it really wasn't as hot as i felt) and involve as many aches and pains as this...

:hmm:
 
i have come down with something.

in the old days, it would probably have been a 'dose up and get to work' day but as it is, managed to get a drive-in covid test today, and now self isolating until i get results.

colds don't usually start with a temperature (realised late evening yesterday that it really wasn't as hot as i felt) and involve as many aches and pains as this...

:hmm:
I started with a cold yesterday. Today I’ve been for a test. I’m 99% sure it’s a cold but better safe than sorry. Hope you feel better soon
 
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