Is Brexit actually going to happen?

[brogdale]

Also defeated (by a larger majority) on second part including requirement to publish.

That Yeats line again.

 

[not-bono-ever]

is that arguing that the land is being occupied by the EU, or by the current UK government? I'm not sure it makes a great deal of sense either way, but can see both arguments being made.

I think it was the EU but I didn’t bquestion any further

 

[littlebabyjesus]

So does May get put in prison till she cooperates now?

 

[Teaboy]

So does May get put in prison till she cooperates now?

Leadsom has just said they will now publish in full. Seems a bit odd to allow themselves to get held in contempt, the first time its ever happened it would seem. Did the whips get their numbers wrong or have the wheels just totally come off?

 

[Pickman's model]

Leadsom has just said they will now publish in full. Seems a bit odd to allow themselves to get held in contempt, the first time its ever happened it would seem. Did the whips get their numbers wrong or have the wheels just totally come off?

The wheels on the bus come off off off
All day long

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Leadsom has just said they will now publish in full. Seems a bit odd to allow themselves to get held in contempt, the first time its ever happened it would seem. Did the whips get their numbers wrong or have the wheels just totally come off?

Looking at the numbers, allowing for the speakers and Sinn Fein, 35 MPs are absent today. Are all of them ill? Rather unhealthy bunch if so.

 

[Wilf]

None of this looks good for May but, so far, the erg lot are not voting against her en masse.

 

[Teaboy]

Looking at the numbers, allowing for the speakers and Sinn Fein, 35 MPs are absent today. Are all of them ill? Rather unhealthy bunch if so.

Any prominent Brexiteers amongst the ill? Wouldn't surprise me a few were happy to see their own colleagues being held in contempt.

 

[Wookey]

Votes and opinions are constantly influenced by business, media and foreign powers - at home and abroad. So why is this particular one the one that has to be singled out for outrage and re-run?

Because it's permanent and irreversible, not to mention hugely damaging in every one of its iterations.

 

[brogdale]

So does May get put in prison till she cooperates now?

In reality, just the infamy...cue everyone's favourite Kenneth William's gif/meme...

 

[SpackleFrog]

Because it's permanent and irreversible, not to mention hugely damaging in every one of its iterations.

Same can be said of lots of our elected govts. Make sense if you're gonna keep weighing in please.

 

[SpackleFrog]

Leadsom has just said they will now publish in full. Seems a bit odd to allow themselves to get held in contempt, the first time its ever happened it would seem. Did the whips get their numbers wrong or have the wheels just totally come off?

Yeah I'm thinking this, I wanna see a list of who voted how!

 

[Wookey]

Your posts this morning are gibberish, frankly

No they're not, you just need to concentrate more. I''m tired of simplifying for the hard of thinking. Work a bit.

 

[Wookey]

Same can be said of lots of our elected govts. Make sense if you're gonna keep weighing in please.

Which elected government is permanent and irreversible?

 

[Wookey]

What do we do with unforgivable people?

Put them in the same basket as Tories. Untouchable. Unhelpable. Unforgivable.

 

[Wilf]

Because it's permanent and irreversible, not to mention hugely damaging in every one of its iterations.

That's just you saying you don't like it - a subjective position. Nothing in terms of democratic theory or principles. Fwiw, in the absence of a lexit or even a gathering of forces, a reassertion of working class politics, I suspect things will be worse after brexit (worse even than the neoliberal EU). But the vote was what it was, a vote to leave.

Edit: what I mean to say is, in the middle of all the fuck ups and procedural idiocy, right through to today and beyond, the only fixed point in brexit was the leave vote.

 

[Teaboy]

This Grieve amendment looks interesting as well. It looks very much like Parliament asserting its will over the government. This is beginning to look like a bad day at the office for TM. Then again that's pretty much everyday at the moment.

 

[brogdale]

This Grieve amendment looks interesting as well. It looks very much like Parliament asserting its will over the government. This is beginning to look like a bad day at the office for TM. Then again that's pretty much everyday at the moment.

Taking back control

 

[SpackleFrog]

Which elected government is permanent and irreversible?

The wars they start are permanent and irreversible. Based on lies! They lied! It must be reversed.

 

[Teaboy]

I have that vision of May's laughable speech a year or so back about 'a sense that the country was coming together'. It was hilarious at the time but its even funnier now because everyone is coming together in unison to agree her deal is shit.

 

[SpackleFrog]

Taking back control

You nicked that off Kuenssberg. I see you.

 

[Wookey]

That's just you saying you don't like it - a subjective position. Nothing in terms of democratic theory or principles. Fwiw, in the absence of a lexit or even a gathering of forces, a reassertion of working class politics, I suspect things will be worse after brexit (worse even than the neoliberal EU). But the vote was what it was, a vote to leave.

Edit: what I mean to say is, in the middle of all the fuck ups and procedural idiocy, right through to today and beyond, the only fixed point in brexit was the leave vote.

Saying it's permanent and irreversible isn't subjective at all, it's a statement of fact! As is the projected damage ANY form of Brexit will bring.

The question in the ref was fatally flawed, it asked if people wanted to leave, then left the expression of that vote entirely up to the Tory party.

We are leaving on March 29. Why are so many Leavers unhappy at that fact?

Because this deal doesn't represent their vote...and no deal was ever going to do that because of the inherent incompatibility between the vote and the GFA.

 

[brogdale]

More importantly...the Grieve amendment has just passed 321 : 299

 

[SpackleFrog]

Saying it's permanent and irreversible isn't subjective at all, it's a statement of fact! As is the projected damage ANY form of Brexit will bring.

You can't tell the difference between #factz and your own delirious ravings.

We are leaving on March 29.

Here's a good example. You think that's a fact, other people try to explain that it's not going to happen, that you've misunderstood, and you insult them.

 

[brogdale]

No no deal now.

 

[Teaboy]

So this Grieve amendment thing they're voting on would be to give Parliament the right to amend any legislation on Brexit, it seems. It appears that this is being used as a means of preventing a no deal hard Brexit from happening, a key plank in May's 'my way or the highway' strategy.

 

[Teaboy]

What a fucking shit show this is turning into.

Hilariously so.

 

[Wilf]

You nicked that off Kuenssberg. I see you.

I've just been looking at her twittering too. Apparently the grieve think means MP's will now have the authority to tell the government how to proceed after she loses the vote (2nd ref, Norway etc). How/whether the EU are willing to respond to that is one issue. But how we've got to this level of randomness is quite another. And even more so how the tories are still neck and neck with labour in the polls...

 

[tommers]

What a fucking shit show this is turning into.

Hilariously so.

You've got to laugh, cos otherwise...

 

[Raheem]

None of this looks good for May but, so far, the erg lot are not voting against her en masse.

Think they'd be reluctant to do anything in French.