Is Brexit actually going to happen?

[Ranbay]

Cabinet starts day-long Chequers summit to finalise Brexit plan with May hoping to avoid split - Politics live

Yes I'm that bored in work today.....

 

[Ranbay]

Full list of cabinet ministers, and how they voted in the EU referendum
The Press Association has filed a helpful list of how cabinet ministers voted in the EU referendum (including those who attend cabinet, as well as full members).

Remain

Theresa May (Prime Minister)
Philip Hammond (Chancellor of the Exchequer)
Sajid Javid (Home Secretary)
Gavin Williamson (Defence Secretary)
David Gauke (Justice Secretary)
Jeremy Hunt (Health Secretary)
Greg Clark (Business Secretary)
James Brokenshire (Housing Secretary)
Damian Hinds (Education Secretary)
David Mundell (Scottish Secretary)
Alun Cairns (Welsh Secretary)
Karen Bradley (Northern Ireland Secretary)
Matt Hancock (Culture Secretary)
Brandon Lewis (Minister without portfolio)
Liz Truss (Chief Secretary to the Treasury)
Julian Smith (Chief Whip)
Jeremy Wright (Attorney General)
Claire Perry (Minister for Energy and Clean Growth)
Caroline Nokes (Minister for Immigration)
David Lidington (Minister for the Cabinet Office)


Leave

Boris Johnson (Foreign Secretary)
David Davis (Brexit Secretary)
Liam Fox (International Trade Secretary)
Michael Gove (Environment Secretary)
Chris Grayling (Transport Secretary)
Esther McVey (Work and Pensions Secretary)
Penny Mordaunt (International Development Secretary)
Andrea Leadsom (Leader of the House of Commons)

 

[danny la rouge]

list of how cabinet ministers voted

How do they know?

 

[Ranbay]

How do they know?

 

[Ranbay]

Concerning the Chequers summit today, what the actual fuck?
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So on Twatter it says that taxi firm stopped operating in 2013... that's on Twatter tho so might be wrong.

 

[MickiQ]

A talented new generation of MPs who will sweep them away

Reading this nearly gave me a thrombo I was laughing that hard.

 

[Jon-of-arc]

This must have already been said, but how the fuck did they trigger article 50 without actually having anything even vaguely resembling a unified position? Like, what was the point in that big waiting period before triggering it, if they weren't going to actually decide on a sensible negotiation strategy, which presumably starts with actually deciding what kind of Brexit they would push for? I literally cannot understand this level of incompetence. There's some naive, trusting part of me that thinks maybe all this bullshit is a cunning game of brinkmanship, let the EU see how close we'll go to a no-deal brexit, through sheer bickering, and give us more than they otherwise might have because otherwise it's too late. The idea that someone, somewhere knows what the fuck they're doing is alluring. But clearly they don't. This is worse than pathetic.

 

[Ranbay]

May secures cabinet backing for Brexit plan

Yeah! it's all sorted and the EU will let us shit out cake and eat it!

Maybe

 

[rubbershoes]

This must have already been said, but how the fuck did they trigger article 50 without actually having anything even vaguely resembling a unified position? Like, what was the point in that big waiting period before triggering it, if they weren't going to actually decide on a sensible negotiation strategy, which presumably starts with actually deciding what kind of Brexit they would push for?

That's politics, dude

 

[DotCommunist]

This must have already been said, but how the fuck did they trigger article 50 without actually having anything even vaguely resembling a unified position? Like, what was the point in that big waiting period before triggering it, if they weren't going to actually decide on a sensible negotiation strategy, which presumably starts with actually deciding what kind of Brexit they would push for? I literally cannot understand this level of incompetence. There's some naive, trusting part of me that thinks maybe all this bullshit is a cunning game of brinkmanship, let the EU see how close we'll go to a no-deal brexit, through sheer bickering, and give us more than they otherwise might have because otherwise it's too late. The idea that someone, somewhere knows what the fuck they're doing is alluring. But clearly they don't. This is worse than pathetic.

it seems resoundingly clear that none of them expected brexit to win. Not only that, they were so assured of it no planning for failure would be done. You know posh cunts are arrogant and winging it on some level anyway, but this is fairly amazing.

 

[billbond]

I wonder what David Cameron is up to .
I know our Danny said the other day "his got his trotters up"
But where i wonder
Im sure his following all thats going on.

 

[not-bono-ever]

Why was Cameron even involved in this behind the scenes charade ?

Its not even comical, its just utterly shambolic

 

[teqniq]

This sums things up pretty succinctly for me.

Rudderless and riven by Brexit, the Tories have only one ambition left | Gary Younge

 

[2hats]

I wonder what David Cameron is up to … "his got his trotters up"

Sex tourism then?

 

[Gerry1time]

This must have already been said, but how the fuck did they trigger article 50 without actually having anything even vaguely resembling a unified position? Like, what was the point in that big waiting period before triggering it, if they weren't going to actually decide on a sensible negotiation strategy, which presumably starts with actually deciding what kind of Brexit they would push for? I literally cannot understand this level of incompetence. There's some naive, trusting part of me that thinks maybe all this bullshit is a cunning game of brinkmanship, let the EU see how close we'll go to a no-deal brexit, through sheer bickering, and give us more than they otherwise might have because otherwise it's too late. The idea that someone, somewhere knows what the fuck they're doing is alluring. But clearly they don't. This is worse than pathetic.

Years ago I spent a lot of time around central government with my then job. One thing that became really clear is just how little clue some of these people have. You can see why. Either you do public school, oxbridge, a well paid graduate job to become financially independent then find yourself a winnable seat, or you become a local councillor, chair of a council committee, leader of the council then find a winnable seat. Neither of those things mean you know how to run a country.

Some MPs are brilliant. Some Peers are likewise, and there are some really great people in the civil service. However, to be brilliant at running a country isn't necessarily the same set of skills you need to be brilliant at achieving high political office.

 

[Nine Bob Note]

The writing's on the blackboard wall for Maybot. We all know with whom the conservatives' best hope lies

 

[agricola]

Years ago I spent a lot of time around central government with my then job. One thing that became really clear is just how little clue some of these people have. You can see why. Either you do public school, oxbridge, a well paid graduate job to become financially independent then find yourself a winnable seat, or you become a local councillor, chair of a council committee, leader of the council then find a winnable seat. Neither of those things mean you know how to run a country.

Some MPs are brilliant. Some Peers are likewise, and there are some really great people in the civil service. However, to be brilliant at running a country isn't necessarily the same set of skills you need to be brilliant at achieving high political office.

The thing is that there are very few of them that are brilliant at achieving high political office, or indeed anything that isn't getting on in that incestous little bubble of theirs. They aren't even that good at politics, as the repeated shoeings Corbyn has handed out to the lifelong political obsessives of the PLP has shown.

 

[Flavour]

Yet they will govern.

 

[SpookyFrank]

They aren't even that good at politics, as the repeated shoeings Corbyn has handed out to the lifelong political obsessives of the PLP has shown.

I wouldn't call them political obsessives. IMO most Blairites aren't even political. They're obsessed with the game, but it's a game of getting elected not a game of actual politics. I bet even back when they were writing their PPE essays at Oxbridge they were thinking not 'what makes sense' or 'what do I believe' but simply 'what should I write here to get me to the next step in my plan to be a backbench MP?'

 

[Ranbay]

So is it all sorted now or what?

 

[teqniq]

Hahahaha hardly, I think. I see there are rumblings of a backbench rebellion in the Graun but I suppose these may come to nothing in the end. But then they've got to sell the whole shitshow to the EU.

 

[Kaka Tim]

they've gone for "damage limitation" AKA soft brexit. Or "brexit in name only". Its a bit worse than staying in the EU (the UK will have no say over future EU decision making - but have to accept all the rules) but avoids the serious penalties of reinstating trade barriers, borders etc - and of course whatever the benefits of leaving might be....

Its utterly pointless but its the least impossible brexit politically.
The cabinet brexiteers have folded/been bribed (i wonder what johnson was promised?) - and will now be traitors and backstabbers.
So now its all eyes on Rees Moggs and his cohort of brexity headbangers. Will they trigger a leadership election to save their brexit from the great betrayal?

 

[Pickman's model]

they've gone for "damage limitation" AKA soft brexit. Or "brexit in name only". Its a bit worse than staying in the EU (the UK will have no say over future EU decision making - but have to accept all the rules) but avoids the serious penalties of reinstating trade barriers, borders etc - and of course whatever the benefits of leaving might be....

Its utterly pointless but its the least impossible brexit politically.
The cabinet brexiteers have folded/been bribed (i wonder what johnson was promised?) - and will now be traitors and backstabbers.
So now its all eyes on Rees Moggs and his cohort of brexity headbangers. Will they trigger a leadership election to save their brexit from the great betrayal?

If Rees mogg doesn't act it might be all up for any political ambitions he may have

 

[not a trot]

If Rees mogg doesn't act it might be all up for any political ambitions he may have

The only ambition that cunt ever had was to be stinking rich.

 

[not a trot]

We've recently returned from a three week stay with my sister in law and family in Colorado. Brexit wasn't ever mentioned. It was fucking bliss.

 

[Toast Rider]

The only ambition that cunt ever had was to be stinking rich.

He was born stinking rich. He wore a monocle as a child. There are only two circumstances that can happen: child abuse or born tory

 

[hot air baboon]

Neither of those things mean you know how to run a country.

the process of EU-isation was surely that national politicians gradually ceased to be national leaders or runners of countrys in the traditional sense but more actors & permanant coalition partners in a highly bureaucratic process of unaccountable horse trading within "the institutions" - with general elections relegated to background fridge noise barely disrupting the smooth functioning of the machinery . The consequent atrophying of the knowledge & institutional memory is all part of the plan & imho a not insubstantial element of the collective pants-shitting the establishment have been undergoing since the referendum result dropped.

they've gone for "damage limitation" AKA soft brexit. Or "brexit in name only". Its a bit worse than staying in the EU ...

There's some naive, trusting part of me that thinks maybe all this bullshit is a cunning game of brinkmanship, let the EU see how close we'll go to a no-deal brexit, through sheer bickering, and give us more than they otherwise might have because otherwise it's too late.

ironically some on the EU side do seem to think this is all a cunning plan to get "all the benefits of the single market" without the costs wheras the pro-brexit opinion seems to be totally agin the SM on principle whilst the remainers seem to love all the freedom of movement, EU regulation & obligations

 

[gentlegreen]

We've recently returned from a three week stay with my sister in law and family in Colorado. Brexit wasn't ever mentioned. It was fucking bliss.

But did you hear any gunfire or were you beaten up by the police ?

 

[gentlegreen]

I'd never given Ireland much attention before - assumed there would be at least some kind of border ...just been over on Google Earth and there's nothing except warnings that speed limits would be displayed in KM/H or MPH.

If that means we're still in the EU or some Norway-style EU, what is the pound likely to do against the Euro ?

 

[kebabking]

... what is the pound likely to do against the Euro ?

Fuck alone knows', and anyone who tells you they know is either a crook or a loon.

However... If the parliamentary Tory party go for May's plan then the Pound should at the very least hold its value - the lack of serious rebellion should see off the chances of a GE, and the nature of the plan should see the chances of a no-deal BREXIT reduce substantially. However, thats a prediction for the next few weeks, not something to plan your retirement on...