Is Brexit actually going to happen?

[pocketscience]

i think the utter incompetence of the uk government has played more than a minor role in this clusterfuck

i wouldn't give concessions to may, she hasn't had the wherewithal to work out a proper negotiating position yet and we're a mite short of two years past the referendum.

Absolutely agree.

 

[bemused]

i think the utter incompetence of the uk government has played more than a minor role in this clusterfuck

I wouldn't give concessions to may, she hasn't had the wherewithal to work out a proper negotiating position yet and we're a mite short of two years past the referendum.

To be fair to her she's being fucked over at every turn by members of her own party who campaigned for Brexit who seemed to have spent the last two years not helping but sitting at the back throwing bottles. I remember the likes of Gove, Boris etc droning on about the magical power of German car makers to EU control trade policy who all know seem rather bemused that the EU doesn't give a fuck about BMWs balance sheet.

For example, Daniel Hanna who prior to the vote was waxing lyrical about how awesome the Norway model is, but now seems horrified we're heading that way.

It's comical to me that the May's biggest threat to her own party is that she'll happily fuck off and live in the countryside in peace and leave them with Boris as the leader.

 

[Pickman's model]

To be fair to her she's being fucked over at every turn by members of her own party who campaigned for Brexit who seemed to have spent the last two years not helping but sitting at the back throwing bottles.

to be fair to her she's a chronic incompetent who has played the hand she was dealt so poorly that she deserves whatever brickbats come her way

 

[gosub]

To be fair to her she's being fucked over at every turn by members of her own party who campaigned for Brexit who seemed to have spent the last two years not helping but sitting at the back throwing bottles. I remember the likes of Gove, Boris etc droning on about the magical power of German car makers to EU control trade policy who all know seem rather bemused that the EU doesn't give a fuck about BMWs balance sheet.

For example, Daniel Hanna who prior to the vote was waxing lyrical about how awesome the Norway model is, but now seems horrified we're heading that way.

It's comical to me that the May's biggest threat to her own party is that she'll happily fuck off and live in the countryside in peace and leave them with Boris as the leader.

TBF Hannan, I don't think would have a problem STILL with the Norway model, its Boris, Gove et al who aren't on top of their brief. To compare the NI border with Boroughs of London shows a complete failure of understanding by these sceptic late comers the have hijacked the issue. YOU CAN ONLY HAVE A BORDERLESS BORDER IF BOTH SIDES EXIST IN THE SAME REGULATORY ENVIRONMENT.

 

[sleaterkinney]

i think the utter incompetence of the uk government has played more than a minor role in this clusterfuck

i wouldn't give concessions to may, she hasn't had the wherewithal to work out a proper negotiating position yet and we're a mite short of two years past the referendum.

Well, she has to deliver a brexit while still a) keeping Rees-Mogg and the other loons onside b) not destroying the economy. She's trying to string a) along until it's too late.

 

[Pickman's model]

Well, she has to deliver a brexit while still a) keeping Rees-Mogg and the other loons onside b) not destroying the economy. She's trying to string a) along until it's too late.

you're too kind

 

[HoratioCuthbert]

On that note....(thug life meme needed)

 

[sealion]

More division
Jeremy Corbyn hit by revolt as dozens defy whip in Brexit vote

 

[gentlegreen]

 

[not-bono-ever]

Brexit warning from investment firm co-founded by Rees-Mogg

Lolz.

The UK is a servile shithole of a country

 

[Poi E]

Ironically named country though.

 

[not-bono-ever]

£14k a month for a few hours board work

Mogg has certainly embraced the gig culture

 

[Raheem]

£14k a month for a few hours board work

Tbf it's a whole 30 hours, provided he's actually expected to do it. It's more time than he spends on Newsnight.

 

[redsquirrel]

Got any comment on the links butchers posted? Or are you going to pretend that they just don't exist.

 

[gentlegreen]

Got any comment on the links butchers posted? Or are you going to pretend that they just don't exist.

Are you still on about the EU extermination camps ?

 

[redsquirrel]

Are you still on about the EU extermination camps ?

Nice misquoting there. But yes, butchers posted some links discussing the full impact the EU's racist border policies, the camps you claim don't exist.

 

[Raheem]

The EU doesn't actually have primacy on refugee policy though, does it?

 

[The39thStep]

What do you think the two most important issues facing the EU are?

 

[gentlegreen]

Those were presumably questions asked of the citizens of the EU ?

 

[redsquirrel]

The EU doesn't actually have primacy on refugee policy though, does it?

And another one. You've not bothered to read the link BA posted have you. I guess the deal the EU made with Turkey doesn't exist, that the EU border guards are imaginary.

 

[Raheem]

And another one. You've not bothered to read the link BA posted have you. I guess the deal the EU made with Turkey doesn't exist, that the EU border guards are imaginary.

I only asked a question.

 

[redsquirrel]

A leading question designed to defend the EU, to sweep away any responsibility it has for the deaths of hundreds of thousands (or even millions).

The piece butchers posted is clear, in depth and incisive. It totally dismantles the notion of the EU as the migrants friend, and yet not one of those that care so much about the racism of Brexit have bothered to engage with it.

I'm going to quote from the last paragraph because it provides an explanation of what is happening here.

the Greek case discloses the impotence and the illusions of the ‘radical’ European left. ...This incomprehension is not the result of simple intellectual oversight. It is at bottom political, arising from the refusal of real confrontation with the dominant forces, which in turn derives from the left’s internalization of its historic defeat. Europeanist blindness has made a damaging contribution here: the rallying cries of the dominant discourse, which represents EU membership as a commitment to ‘internationalism’ and the ‘values of openness’, forestalled thinking about the need for a ‘plan B’—exit from the Eurozone as an indispensable measure of resistance to the Troika’s blackmail.

Again cheers' for posting that butchersapron. Excellent piece.

 

[Raheem]

A leading question designed to defend the EU, to sweep away any responsibility it has for the deaths of hundreds of thousands (or even millions).

I'm not going to bother arguing about that. But what do you propose the EU should have done instead? Or alternatively, how do you think things might have been better had the EU not existed?

 

[redsquirrel]

Well for a start how about not paying huge sums of money to Turkey and Libya so that they can set up concentration camps. But I forgot those camps don't exist. They're nothing to do with the EU.

 

[Raheem]

Well for a start how about not paying huge sums of money to Turkey and Libya so that they can set up concentration camps. But I forgot those camps don't exist. They're nothing to do with the EU.

It's already clear what you think the EU shouldn't have done. What do you think it should have done?

 

[teuchter]

the notion of the EU as the migrants friend,

Where's this notion been expressed? And are we talking about internal EU economic migration or the migration of refugees from outside of the EU?

 

[redsquirrel]

Where's this notion been expressed?

Two posters have explicitly denied the racism and anti-immigration nature of the EU's border policies, others have disregarded it with empty words about how things 'could/will be worse'. Time and again in U75 the EU has been posited, in contrast to the UK, as non-racist, as progressive, the champion of 'freedom of movement' and the removal/weakening of borders.

It's already clear what you think the EU shouldn't have done. What do you think it should have done?

How about you read the piece. But that would involve you actually having to challenge your blindness.

 

[kabbes]

Those were presumably questions asked of the citizens of the EU ?

Yes. And only in 3 of 27 of those countries do the citizens care less about immigration than in the UK

 

[pocketscience]

What do you think the two most important issues facing the EU are?

Can someone enlighten me as to why Estonians are so worried about immigration and terrorism?

 

[HoratioCuthbert]

What do you think the two most important issues facing the EU are?

It’s good to see the Portuguese taking a hard line with terrorism whilst apparently being the least racist nation in Europe. Particularly given not much terrorism seems to even happen there. Selfless comrades!