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Is America burning? (Black Lives Matter protests, civil unrest and riots 2020)

Correct - the professional provocateurs secreted themselves within peaceful BLM protests to cause rioting and have nothing to do with BLM -

My bold.

Show evidence of these supposed outside provocateurs being paid professionals who are infiltrating BLM that isn't a Trump tweet about "professional anarchists"

Alternatively show us where we can apply to join their paid ranks. As I and many others here would surely would be interested in sending our CVs.

Alternatively shut the fuck up with your right wing trump-tweet-mimicking bullshit.
 
Correct - the professional provocateurs secreted themselves within peaceful BLM protests to cause rioting and have nothing to do with BLM - there’s plenty of video evidence to show genuine BLM protestors rebuking rioters and in some cases standing outside store fronts to guard premises from being attacked.
Who said anything about "professional provocateurs"? Are you making this shit up as you go along?
 
Edit: Probably makes more sense to watch the first video, the one he made the day(?) or so before the second video I've posted



Again, ANOTHER Beau of the Fifth video (no apologies, he pretty much hits the nail on the head) - 6:10 in length, well worth a watch, where Portland COULD go if the current policies are followed and they Don't follow the manual

 
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Oh! and his Banned Books T-shirt?

The second line, which we don't get to see is" ... Are the Best Books"
 
Crowds tend to tightly police their in-group behaviour, actually, once they have been cohered into a unified social identity by the actions of the out-group (ie the police). I would still be amazed if in a sober analysis after the event the buildings systematically attacked weren’t found to all be related to state control or viewed as exploiting the local community in some way. The idea of a “bad element” causing wide scale damage rarely pans out to have much basis in fact.
 
Correct - the professional provocateurs secreted themselves within peaceful BLM protests to cause rioting and have nothing to do with BLM - there’s plenty of video evidence to show genuine BLM protestors rebuking rioters and in some cases standing outside store fronts to guard premises from being attacked.
Thats not what he said at all. And anyway professional provocateurs have a name - police.
 
Correct - the professional provocateurs secreted themselves within peaceful BLM protests to cause rioting and have nothing to do with BLM - there’s plenty of video evidence to show genuine BLM protestors rebuking rioters and in some cases standing outside store fronts to guard premises from being attacked.
It's very easy, if the cops don't want riots the they could simply stop killing people
 
Thats not what he said at all. And anyway professional provocateurs have a name - police.
I suspect that Marty1 was just trying to be provocative - he seemed to get quite a chuckle from my Aryan P. Redneck parody (probably because he didn't realise it was parody), and was hoping to wind me up to a repeat performance. Rather than proving himself a cunt, which he does more easily than falling off a log.
 
Thanks for your explanation. I still find it difficult to suppress my rage against those who have done so much damage to so many.

That's odd because you don't seem to post any rage about politicians or corporations or police or systemic racism or fascists or policies that punish people for being poor or the rich and powerful actively increasing inequality or everything that is Trump, or your lack of a decent welfare state or your shitty healthcare system etc etc rather than those protesting these abuses. These things have done harm many billions of times greater than someone who smashed a window downtown.
 
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So, given the importance of that infrastructure and so on, you'd think a responsible government would do what it could to make sure sufficient of the populace didn't get so pissed off that it got damaged. By, say, not giving state agencies like the police carte blanche to extrajudicially kill people, openly practice racism, value capital over people, etc, etc.

That's a really sleazy line you're peddling.
 
So, given the importance of that infrastructure and so on, you'd think a responsible government would do what it could to make sure sufficient of the populace didn't get so pissed off that it got damaged. By, say, not giving state agencies like the police carte blanche to extrajudicially kill people, openly practice racism, value capital over people, etc, etc.

Yup, these inequalities you highlight have been on repeat for years in America - just look at the rioting under the prior administration with the Ferguson and Baltimore riots as examples.

The GF murder has captivated the world tho so there is hope that this cycle can be stopped and - its not the case of valuing property and infrastructure destruction over people as it’s the people from GF’s neighbourhood and state who are the most affected by that level of devastation.
 
Yup, these inequalities you highlight have been on repeat for years in America - just look at the rioting under the prior administration with the Ferguson and Baltimore riots as examples.

The GF murder has captivated the world tho so there is hope that this cycle can be stopped and - its not the case of valuing property and infrastructure destruction over people as it’s the people from GF’s neighbourhood and state who are the most affected by that level of devastation.
I'm not really sure why I'm bothering to reply to your arguments, because I believe that you are making them for effect, rather than from a genuine position. But there are points which warrant making, in any case.

First of all, your attempt to sneak a partisan - "well, it was just the same under Obama" - angle in is just a tawdry attempt to "dead cat" the whole thing. It doesn't matter what happened then, while what is happening now is so egregious and, frankly, wrong. Do you think a democratic state should operate on the basis of paramilitary types grabbing people off the street and hurling them into vehicles to be driven off at speed? Or that the police should be equipped like something out of Robocop? Do you think that is a good basis on which to run a fair, equal, democratic, and well-functioning society? (don't bother answering - the questions are rhetorical).

The problem with - in particular - the US is that the inequalities, on race, poverty, etc., are structural. They're built into the system. People have tried all means short of (and including) protest to change that, and NOTHING HAS WORKED. Black men still die at a far higher rate than their white counterparts; people are still dying of avoidable causes because they cannot afford the stratospheric cost of treatment; voting precincts are regularly subject to gerrymandering that is blatant and ongoing, and so on.

Protest - and thus violent protest - are an inevitable consequence of inequality and injustice that has not been addressed. For what it's worth, the insistence of those in certain quarters that it's merely about some latent criminality spontaneously surfacing is wishful thinking - the only way they can find to offload the blame that is rightly theirs for what is happening.
 
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I'm not really sure why I'm bothering to reply to your arguments, because I believe that you are making them for effect, rather than from a genuine position. But there are points which warrant making, in any case.

First of all, your attempt to sneak a partisan - "well, it was just the same under Obama" - angle in is just a tawdry attempt to "dead cat" the whole thing. It doesn't matter what happened then, while what is happening now is so egregious and, frankly, wrong. Do you think a democratic state should operate on the basis of paramilitary types grabbing people off the street and hurling them into vehicles to be driven off at speed? Or that the police should be equipped like something out of Robocop? Do you think that is a good basis on which to run a fair, equal, democratic, and well-functioning society? (don't bother answering - the questions are rhetorical).

The problem with - in particular - the US is that the inequalities, on race, poverty, etc., are structural. They're built into the system. People have tried all means short of (and including) protest to change that, and NOTHING HAS WORKED. Black men still die at a far higher rate than their white counterparts; people are still dying of avoidable causes because they cannot afford the stratospheric cost of treatment; voting precincts are regularly subject to gerrymandering that is blatant and ongoing, and so on.

Protest - and thus violent protest - are an inevitable consequence of inequality and injustice that has not been addressed. For what it's worth, the insistence of those in certain quarters that it's merely about some latent criminality spontaneously surfacing is wishful thinking - the only way they can find to offload the blame that is rightly theirs for what is happening.

There’s been many examples of rioting in past administrations including the prior one is the salient point here.

And you’re kind of proving a point here that indeed nothing seems to have worked before - including rioting so why should this approach work now?

If you look upthread you’ll find a post I made to a study that suggests that civil unrest turns voters towards supporting Republicans which I’m guessing would be counter productive to rioters objectives.

It’s important to differentiate between peaceful protesting and violent anarchistic elements with radical agendas intent on causing mayhem and destruction that disadvantages communities most impacted.
 
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There’s been many examples of rioting in past administrations including the prior one is the salient point here.

And you’re kind of proving a point here that indeed nothing seems to have worked before - including rioting so why should this approach work now?

If you look upthread you’ll find a post I made to a study that suggests that civil unrest turns voters towards supporting Republicans which I’m guessing would be counter productive to rioters objectives.

It’s important to differentiate between peaceful protesting and violent anarchistic elements with radical agendas intent on causing mayhem and destruction that disadvantages communities most impacted.
Er, no. Nothing. * taps microphone *. Nope, seems dead. Just a load of static and some clucking noises...
 
Between echo-chamber social media, moral panics, populism and a seemingly implacable self-worship and 'hang everyone else' attitude; the USA seems to be losing its capacity for down to earth common sense. I read about so many great people doing so many good things over there and it's hard to marry the two. What is the cause of this conniving, scheming and brutal inhumanity? It is the super rich that are utilising division: 'culture war', racism and reactionary politics. They build up these forces and legitimise them, amplify them. It's not hopeless, but it seems to be going in the wrong direction.
 
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