krtek a houby
Merry Xmas!
Guess the next move is to defund the government and smash up the White House, then.
Is America burning? (Black Lives Matter protests, civil unrest and riots 2020)
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Guess the next move is to defund the government and smash up the White House, then.
Streathamite
ideological dogmatist
I grant you that hostility.
As to your question - I honestly don't know. We'll have to see how it pans out. What is more encouraging to me is the grassroots militancy that's coming up behind them.
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Ax^
Silly Rabbit
looking at the demographic of Portland Oregon by small minority do you mean the black population of your state?
and how would you like it dealt with Tom send in the army and krack some more skulls?
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Orang Utan
Psychick Worrier Ov Geyoor
Oregon, interestingly, was founded in explicitly racist grounds, as a white utopia.
www.google.co.uk
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Oregon’s founders sought a ‘white utopia,’ a stain of racism that lives on even as state celebrates its progressivism
Oregon is one of the whitest states in the country -- originally by design.
The Racist History of Portland, the Whitest City in America
It’s known as a modern-day hub of progressivism, but its past is one of exclusion.
krtek a houby
Merry Xmas!
Thugs. I see that word being used by right wingers more and more.
In this case it's an accurate description in my view and it doesn't matter to me weather the word is used by right or left wingers.
krtek a houby
Merry Xmas!
Even when it's used as code?
Yes, Portland and all of Oregon for that matter has a population that's overwhelmingly white. I don't see what that has to do with downtown Portland being attacked by a minority of mostly white "protesters."Oregon, interestingly, was founded in explicitly racist grounds, as a white utopia.
Oregon’s founders sought a ‘white utopia,’ a stain of racism that lives on even as state celebrates its progressivism
Oregon is one of the whitest states in the country -- originally by design.The Racist History of Portland, the Whitest City in America
It’s known as a modern-day hub of progressivism, but its past is one of exclusion.
krtek a houby
Merry Xmas!
It's being attacked by filthy pigs under the guise of law and order.
I didn't intend to use it as any kind of code. I don't think the word matters. One can label the vandalizing of stores and shops and other violent behavior with various words but the behavior is what counts. What's being forgotten about in the minimization and justification by some of the destruction, are the huge job losses. Weather its a chain store, large company or a family owned business, people are being put out of work.
krtek a houby
Merry Xmas!
Again, you're putting property and capital ahead over lives.
What do you think causes these risings?
I assume you are referring to the cops. I live here. I'm very familiar with downtown. I used to work there. And I've also met some of the cops at neighborhood assn meetings. The cops didn't trash the place. IMO they were prevented from defending the downtown core by wimpy wildly liberal politicians. I hold them responsible.
8ball
Decolonise colons!
It seems like people in Portland, Oregon have concerns about another mostly white group which has descended on the city.
krtek a houby
Merry Xmas!
I'm referring to the federal stormtroopers that Trump sent in, but sure, I'll include the local filth you collaborated with.
Any police have picked their side. When you become a cop you side with the oppressive ruling class against working class communities. Your class interests become one and the same with the ruling class, against the community. No doubt this also applies to you.
You didn't answer the question, so I'll repeat it- what do you think causes these risings?
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existentialist
Tired and unemotional
Why the scare quotes around the word "protesters"?
As I said before, the destruction of this property is hurting people, most of whom are average wage earners. I'm afraid than many on the extreme left (and extreme right) assume that any kind and manner of rebellion is justified. I don't. The protests started out as a response to a killing by police in Minneapolis, not by actions of Portland cops. They are no angels but I don't see them as the problem. The protests were immediately hijacked by a group that have tried to do this many times before and they did the destruction. I was downtown several weeks ago and there was a small rally in the town square following much of the destruction. YThe banner reah "Fuckcaus
Sorry, I meant to finish my sentence........The banner in the town square read "Fuck The Police." That was their slogan. That was their "cause." IMO that's just nuts and helps nobody. And I don't think anyone who attends a meeting that's attended by a cop is a collaborator. Collaborator is a word that sends chills through me no matter who uses it. Some view all cops as oppressors. I don't.
existentialist
Tired and unemotional
So you reckon the "protesters" were simply wanting to say "Fuck the police", and that's solely what the unrest is about?
The "rising" was supposed to be in respnnse
Because the ones doing the vandalizing are not legitimate protesters in my view. There was a protest march today on the street I live on......totally peaceful. They are legitimte I will not dignify the vandals that trashed downtown by calling them protesters.
I think that's what it's about for a small violent minority.So you reckon the "protesters" were simply wanting to say "Fuck the police", and that's solely what the unrest is about?
existentialist
Tired and unemotional
Good of you to take on the responsibility of deciding who is "legitimate" and who isn't. Fine work. And don't you worry one bit that you're doing all the heavy lifting for the types who would happily categorise ANYONE who protested as non-legitimate.
Where do you stand on, for example, the teargassing of a bunch of women who went onto the streets to "protest" (sorry, that word again, hush mah mouth) at the brutality of the police response? Were they "legitimate"? Or "vandalising"? And, if the fucking police can't tell the difference, how the hell are we supposed to believe that YOU can?
I'm afraid you are seeing it as all one thing. I think it's more complex. The whole protest movement was in response to a police killing in Minneapolis, and then to police brutality in general against blacks. The vast majority protested peacefully. Those who attacked (and attempted to set fire to) the Justice center (police HQ and county jail) were not simply expressing an opinion or making demands. They attacked a building where people work and live and a building necessary to the functioning of the city. Naturally, the cops tried and continue to try to defend it. The attackers (anarchists, criminals, violent elements, whatever label is appropriate), then spread their destruction to a large portion of downtown.....attackg and looting businesses small and large. So, in my view the "rising" has majority legitimate and minority illegitimate components. Any and all forms of rebellion are not legitimate or desirable in my view.
Yuwipi Woman
Whack-A-Mole Queen
Zero to none. But, this election isn't about that. Its about getting unmarked feds off the streets. Its about who replaces RBG on the Supreme Court. Its about having an intact country after Trump and his ilk are done with us. This election is a choice between "slow corporate fascism" or "hit you over the head with a baton and teargas you, were done FASCISM." If were lucky we'll get a little bit of what we want and keep working for the rest.
Ax^
Silly Rabbit
8ball
Decolonise colons!
That's a big assumption
existentialist
Tired and unemotional
So you're saying that you can conceive of no situation, anywhere, where rebellion is legitimate or desirable?
What, not even in your own country after 1765? You think that Americans should still be singing God Save The Queen?
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