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Is America burning? (Black Lives Matter protests, civil unrest and riots 2020)

existentialist said:
Speaking as someone is also fond of the dry-as-a-bone style of posting, I'm not sure I agree. I quite like the "Wait, what? Oh...." feeling that comes when a well-known poster puts up something apparently so out of character.
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I think you need to know a fair bit more about certain posters than I do to be in that space though ...... for whatever reason (??), I don't know much about IC3D's posting history here.
 
The Soros/Rothschild/some other Jew stuff used ironically is pretty common - it’s useful to have the defence of humour with the conspiracy stuff.

It’s interesting how it’s used now by the contemporary far right - “Soros is brining about the race war by funding the antifa/BLM/etc”.

Wasn’t hitlers complaint that Jews were getting in the way of the race war?
 
Conspiratorial anti-semitism Is dangerous precisely because it’s mental - hence Monsey. If you didn’t laugh you’d cry.
 
Not too mention some urbans doing mental gymnastics when Steel invoked the Soros conspiraloonery though on the anarchist bookfair thread :(
 
Marty1 said:
The WC should know their place and forget about any fanciful ideals or aspirations to improve their lot in life.
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Speaking as a WC person who is certainly not suggesting 'put up and shut up' is what we should or need to be doing you are wrong to imply I am.

More importantly though, your response is because you saw yourself in what I said & are 'aspirational' in the way I have outlined. You are getting fucked over like the rest of us but still come out to bat for team 'capitalist', celebrating them, measuring the value of the rest of us and yourself in ways that do real damage.
 
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Rutita1 said:
Speaking as a WC person who is certainly not suggesting 'put up and shut up' is what we should or need to be doing you are wrong to imply I am.

More importantly though, your response is because you saw yourself in what I said & are 'aspirational' in the way I have outlined. You are getting fucked over like the rest of us but still come out to bat for team 'capitalist', celebrating them, measuring the value of the rest of us and yourself in ways that do real damage.
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Yeah, I’m getting fucked over by one the biggest exploiters of capitalism on the planet on a daily basis.

I’m certainly not celebrating that which I reflect here.
 
Rutita1 said:
Yes, please do reflect on that here instead of the yay trump, wealth is a measure of intellect and linking to alt right conservative nonsense, crap you do. It's not cute, it's not clever and nothing to celebrate.
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Yes, I also remember you claiming I didn’t care about the death of George Floyd. Thanks for that, tho I’ll not be telling you what you think.
 
Marty1 said:
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Yes, I also remember you claiming I didn’t care about the death of George Floyd. Thanks for that, tho I’ll not be telling you what you think.
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By your own 'ideals/measures' neither of us have any intellect or value anyway. :facepalm:

So FWIW anyone coming on to this or any other thread linking to fox cunts/alt right White supremacists/celebrating Trump etc doesn't give a flying fuck about the murder of GF. That is my view. 👍🏽 I don't care how that makes you feel.

The fact that we are even having to have this conversation on this thread tells me that you don't care about how anyone else feels either. It's a game to you? Does your life matter? No need to answer, rhetorical questions.
 
co-op said:
It's complex of course but this is an often-given explanation that doesn't really stand up. Nationally the democrats had supported things like the Civil Rights Act etc, and were identified with anti-racism (at least on the legal political level) as far back as the early 60s but were still winning state legislatures in the south right through to the 1990s and the 2000s. The whole of the south could only really be described as properly Republican in the post 2010 era.

A host of other changes took place in that time, not least the 'rise of the south' economically as industries and economic activity grew southern cities hugely.
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Yes it’s a lot more complex than the narrative commonly presented. One major event was the McGovern-Fraser Commission of 1971 that sought to democratise the Democratic Party’s delegate selection process. This took power away from local and state power brokers and eventually funnelled decision making from the working class base to the neoliberal elites we see today running the Democratic Party.

So what we see today is a middle to upper class party run by elites who use identity and fairy liberal socially progressive politics to get minorities and women on their side whilst maintaining neoliberal economic policies that has decimated their traditional white working class vote. Even now the Democratic Party will blame any white working class person in America for not making it big, ‘just go learn to code’ was something that Biden came out with recently. Completely out of touch with reality.

The abandonment of their class interests has made many working class Americans fall into the hands of the Republican Party who, like all conservative parties, play on people’s fears surrounding immigration and big up the patriotic calling card. They have also shafted their own people with the same economic policies so it was inevitable someone like Trump came along.
 
Finally, resistance to the dangerous intolerance of some in the BLM movement. The left is showing itself to be as intolerant as the right.......nothing new about that.
JK Rowling, Sir Salman Rushdie and Margaret Atwood are among dozens of high-profile figures who have signed a letter warning of an “intolerant climate” for free speech....The 150 signatories said recent protests for racial and social justice are a "needed reckoning" but decried what they describe as the weakening of open debate in favour of "ideological conformity"....."While we have come to expect this on the radical right, censoriousness is also spreading more widely in our culture: an intolerance of opposing views, a vogue for public shaming and ostracism, and the tendency to dissolve complex policy issues in a blinding moral certainty.".....Others to put their name to the statement include academics and intellectuals Noam Chomsky, Gloria Steinem and Garry Kasparov.
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Whilst I think the rise of 'cancel culture' is pretty unhelpful, it does make me laugh that its people with platforms - journo's, rent-a-gob commentators, bestselling authors, politicians, academics, etc. with cultural capital and mates in the press/media, that can't cope with any criticism or call out from those that might have found a voice (we've seen it with 3 years of constant anti-trans sentiment, and now it's looking like BLMs turn), that they immediately get on the defensive about intolerance/silencing/freedom of speech with a load of their mates. So fucking tedious.
 
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