Is America burning? (Black Lives Matter protests, civil unrest and riots 2020)

[The39thStep]

This but the trump regime has been telling people that Antifa is something like a clearly defined enemy with badges and everything for years now.
The woman who wrote that tweet thinks she can recognise and count them in a crowd
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but I don’t know what method she uses for that, basically don’t know what the word means to her.
I think trump knows it’s not actually a real thing the way he’s been painting it (singular org with masses ranks taking orders probably from soros etc) has just found it very useful to conjure .

Antifa means all things to all people tbh even their own . The original tweet she retweeted came from a person with a somewhat dubious reputation tbh. The outside influences line wont have legs tbh I've even seen HK protestors blamed . Wouldn't be surprised if 'Liverpool Pat' is sighted at some point

 

[FridgeMagnet]

It's not post overseas mission, it's been going on rather longer than that, see eg Peter kraska's 2001 book 'militarizing the American criminal justice system'

It really did take off after Iraq though, with so much military surplus being deliberately funnelled to the cops.

 

[The39thStep]

It's not post overseas mission, it's been going on rather longer than that, see eg Peter kraska's 2001 book 'militarizing the American criminal justice system'

 

[nogojones]

If all the 'good cops' quit, and decent people are dissuaded from joining, what's left?

That's pretty much what you have now

 

[FridgeMagnet]

 

[The39thStep]

Don't know if this has been posted yet

 

[Saul Goodman]

That's pretty much what you have now

Exactly.

 

[Pickman's model]

It really did take off after Iraq though, with so much military surplus being deliberately funnelled to the cops.

During Iraq perhaps more than after Iraq. But there's a longer history there extending back through the 1990s and Clinton whereas the idea this only started under Bush II rather lets the sainted bill off the hook

 

[Pickman's model]

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Your content-free post ignores materiel previously acquired by police departments and notes the transfers may have contributed to an ongoing trend.

 

[bimble]

The outside influences line wont have legs tbh

not sure what you mean there. The presidents supporters all seem to believe there are no ‘real’ protests going on just ‘antifa’ troublemakers behind it all. Otherwise you’d have to look and see there’s a massive problem in your country wouldn’t you.
And on the other side everybody is talking about outside influence of various kinds too.

 

[planetgeli]

During Iraq perhaps more than after Iraq. But there's a longer history there extending back through the 1990s and Clinton whereas the idea this only started under Bush II rather lets the sainted bill off the hook

Much of this 'equipment' (which is what we're talking about) was made possible for individual police forces to buy due to the obscene money to be made from arrests in the War on Drugs. Which is handy. For them.

 

[planetgeli]

People always talk about 'outside influences' in riots and the like. As if they'd be ok if it was just locals ripping things up. Where that line falls down here is, as someone mentioned earlier, when we consider these actions are taking place across 25 states (and counting). "Yeah, er, they all came from that non-rioting Wyoming" (with apologies to Wyoming if you're rioting, I'm having trouble keeping up).

 

[Ax^]

trump doubling down in this ballocks going to designated antifa as a terrorist organisation and blaming democratic states for the problems

 

[FridgeMagnet]

People always talk about 'outside influences' in riots and the like. As if they'd be ok if it was just locals ripping things up. Where that line falls down here is, as someone mentioned earlier, when we consider these actions are taking place across 25 states (and counting). "Yeah, er, they all came from that non-rioting Wyoming" (with apologies to Wyoming if you're rioting, I'm having trouble keeping up).

It's a pretty standard divide and rule tactic yeah. The message is "this isn't your fellow citizens, this is outsiders doing this who are not one of you, don't feel any association with them".

As usual it is toilet - there are all sorts of odd folk coming down to various places and doing odd things but the vast majority of people on the streets are local.

 

[The39thStep]

not sure what you mean there. The presidents supporters all seem to believe there are no ‘real’ protests going on just ‘antifa’ troublemakers behind it all. Otherwise you’d have to look and see there’s a massive problem in your country wouldn’t you.
And on the other side everybody is talking about outside influence of various kinds too.

I havent seen much evidence of 'the other side' claims aside from the presence of small numbers of right wingers and kids travelling to loot. The outsiders claim is wheeled out during every riot though isn't it. ? The arrest figures and their adresses nornally give some idea of the extent of this.

 

[Orang Utan]

i don't propose anything

though this might be a good path to go down:

The answer to police violence is not 'reform'. It's defunding. Here's why | Alex S Vitale

Bias training, body cameras, community dialogues – Minneapolis has tried them all. We need a better response

www.theguardian.com

 

[The39thStep]

Your content-free post ignores materiel previously acquired by police departments and notes the transfers may have contributed to an ongoing trend.

Yup

 

[FridgeMagnet]

 

[Crispy]

Trump says he's going to designate antifa as a terrorist organisation.

 

[Pickman's model]

Trump says he's going to designate antifa as a terrorist organisation.

good luck with that

 

[Pickman's model]

.

 

[Ax^]

next he be trying to designate anonymous as a terrorist organisation

 

[Orang Utan]

The police should be designated as a terrorist organisation

 

[Idris2002]

the latter part of what you say is bang on the money , the amount of arms and equipment that have been made available in the post overseas military intervention era and issued or purchased by the Police in the States is astonishing.

"You can do anything with bayonets except sit on them" - Napoleon Bonaparte

 

[NoXion]

Much of this 'equipment' (which is what we're talking about) was made possible for individual police forces to buy due to the obscene money to be made from arrests in the War on Drugs. Which is handy. For them.

I thought they got handed the military surplus kit for free. Like some piddly little force in Assfuck, Nowhere getting given APCs kinda thing.

 

[planetgeli]

I thought they got handed the military surplus kit for free. Like some piddly little force in Assfuck, Nowhere getting given APCs kinda thing.

It seems you are correct. There is, however, a connection.

For example, to secure equipment through the 1033 program, law enforcement agencies send applications directly to state coordinators in each jurisdiction. This allows local law enforcement agencies to acquire the military equipment, purchased with federal tax dollars, without any appropriate oversight by state lawmakers or local city officials. The current structure of the 1033 program allows law enforcement agencies to circumvent the traditional principles of federalism and avoid the appropriations process meant to protect citizens from excessive government spending.

Furthermore, regulations that accompany the receipt of property under the 1033 program create perverse incentives for local law enforcement agencies to ensure they are able to retain the property for their department’s use. First, police must use any property acquired through the program within one year of receipt, otherwise they must return it to the Department of Defense. Second, law enforcement agencies are responsible for all of the transportation, maintenance, and conversion costs of this equipment. Although the initial zero cost for the equipment may be appealing, the insurance, fuel, storage, training, and cost to convert the equipment for law enforcement’s use can be extremely high. In some instances, these costs are too expensive for many jurisdictions to justify retaining the equipment if it is not being used on a frequent basis. This creates an incentive for the agency to utilize the equipment in circumstances where it may not appropriate or reasonably necessary simply to justify its retention by the agency. It also encourages police to shift resources away from catching individuals who are the largest threat to public safety to activities that will reap financial benefits for the department through civil asset forfeiture or seizure of property associated with low-level drug possession.

 

[steveo87]

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

Damage from last night's protests. The buildings here are mostly law firms, lobbyists, and home mortgage and insurance offices.



The state capitol building is literally across the street.

 

[Johnny Vodka]

If all the 'good cops' quit, and decent people are dissuaded from joining, what's left?

The idea is that all the actions I mentioned together destabilise and delegitimize the force.

 

[NoXion]

The idea is that all the actions I mentioned together destabilise and delegitimize the force.

I think a good argument could be made that this is happening right now. I'm noticing that anger with the cops over this situation is cutting across a lot of political lines.