I notice some eigit burnt down a tiny Killyleagh Orange Hall to get in the mood for the game. Francie Molloy was decent to condemn it.gurrier said:
IRA officially decommissions arms
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Nigel Irritable
Five, Ten, Fifteen Years
I'd like to think it was just greater political understanding that cured me of my nationalist youth, but at least part of it was just spending more time there and thinking "what a fucking hovel". 
revol68
what, fucking what?
It's quite obvious to all but the most blinkered Connollyite that the end of partition would do fuck all to end the sectarian shite fest in the north. Infact republicans belief in the unalienable right of a united Ireland has done much to fan the flames, despite what some niave dipstick chucks in the south think. Interesting that must republicans in the north have very little to say about winning the unionist population over and instead have the decency to be honest about their complete disregard for a bunch of uppity planters who seem to think they can stand in the way of a "nations" will.
Well that oaf de Chastelain has said "We have observed and verified events to put beyond use very large quantities of arms which we believe include all the arms in the IRA's possession.".
But this is what that's based on.
Impressive but a shame that it has to be infered. It seems there'll be no inventory published. If they got all the Semtex it's a real achievment.
Now one thing I'd certainly like to see is the UDA, LVF and that lovely man David Ervine's UVF chums handing their stuff in. Probably won't happen they are buisnessmen with drug turf to defend.
But this is what that's based on.
1,000 rifles
2 tonnes of Semtex
20-30 heavy machine guns
7 Surface-to-air missiles (unused)
7 flame throwers
1,200 detonators
11 rocket-propelled grenade launchers
90 hand guns
100+ grenades
Source: Security estimates/Jane's Intelligence Review
2 tonnes of Semtex
20-30 heavy machine guns
7 Surface-to-air missiles (unused)
7 flame throwers
1,200 detonators
11 rocket-propelled grenade launchers
90 hand guns
100+ grenades
Source: Security estimates/Jane's Intelligence Review
Impressive but a shame that it has to be infered. It seems there'll be no inventory published. If they got all the Semtex it's a real achievment.
Now one thing I'd certainly like to see is the UDA, LVF and that lovely man David Ervine's UVF chums handing their stuff in. Probably won't happen they are buisnessmen with drug turf to defend.
captain scarlet
New Member
No need for weapons,when you have all the money from the Irish bank lolDexterTCN said:
Nigel Irritable
Five, Ten, Fifteen Years
tobyjug said:
You don't think an eyewitness report from General de Chastelain counts as evidence? Or the eyewitness reports from Roman Catholic and Protestant clergymen?
I mean I consider myself pretty sceptical about statements from figures like officers and priests, but your militantly anti-establishment stance impresses me toby.
revol68
what, fucking what?
I might well detest the generally smugness and hypocrisy of the republican movement, but I don't think there is any doubt that this a serious move, and realistically the best that could have been hoped for. Of course Paisley will bark and rant and never be fully satisfied until the IRA hand him their guns with a 100 lines of "I must not be an uppity fenian". Still wouldn't be suprised if ole Paisley enters into talks, afterall I reckon he would like to be Northern Irish Premier before he dies.
Notice that Peter Robinson had a slightly softer tone in his response, that snekay lil cunt is setting himself for Big Ian's shoes and you can expect all that fire and brimstone shite to go out the window too.
Notice that Peter Robinson had a slightly softer tone in his response, that snekay lil cunt is setting himself for Big Ian's shoes and you can expect all that fire and brimstone shite to go out the window too.
Sorry. said:
I don't suggest they are lying but as the IRA are a devious set of underhanded bastards only physical evidence of destruction will ever convince me.
I used to work for a firearms dealer and he purchased weaponry that had been buried for 50 years and I still got it to work. (In the case of Bren guns with little effort at all.)
One can run over AK47s with a tank and they will still work.
Nigel Irritable
Five, Ten, Fifteen Years
tobyjug said:
Perhaps toby you should familiarise yourself with the distinction between "evidence" and "proof".
revol68
what, fucking what?
As if anyone thinks the act of decomissioning is literally about putting arms out of use. Do you think if the RA wanted to go back to war they couldn't just buy another shit load?
The act of decommisioning was always symbolic.
I mean do you really expect people who have in their eyes fought the Brits without surrender for close to 100 years (going on their own historography of course) would hand their guns over to the British government.
Plenty of criticisms can be made of republicanism but casting doubt on the significance of this decommissioning is just barking.
A better question is why the IRA deluded themselves for so long that they could bomb the British state out and force a united ireland on the unionist population. So much brutality and death unleashed in the name of republican blood sacrifice dogma, all for a Gerry Adams to sit up in Stormont with an expenses account and have a tri colour in his office.
The act of decommisioning was always symbolic.
I mean do you really expect people who have in their eyes fought the Brits without surrender for close to 100 years (going on their own historography of course) would hand their guns over to the British government.
Plenty of criticisms can be made of republicanism but casting doubt on the significance of this decommissioning is just barking.
A better question is why the IRA deluded themselves for so long that they could bomb the British state out and force a united ireland on the unionist population. So much brutality and death unleashed in the name of republican blood sacrifice dogma, all for a Gerry Adams to sit up in Stormont with an expenses account and have a tri colour in his office.
Bob_the_lost
Elsewhere
I doubt all the arms are gone, at least some members will have "off the books" stashes which will be left alone "just in case".
But this can't be seen as anything other than a good thing for Ireland, Northern or not.
But this can't be seen as anything other than a good thing for Ireland, Northern or not.
cathal marcs
Well-Known Member
captain scarlet said:
This will be used for expensive electioneering purposes much like the stickies did with the money from bank robberies in the 70s. They used to spend more on elections than FF and FG. if you seriously believe the provos will return to war with the money you are seriously misguided. The only people who should feel threatened by the PRM is anti agreement republicans.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
tobyjug said:
By causing it to degrade, which can, if memory serves, be done chemically or with heat.
cathal marcs
Well-Known Member
Adams Moves On Decommissioning
The Queen's member of Parliament for West Belfast, Gerry Adams, today made a public act of decommissioning in the face of growing pressure/girly moaning from the DUP. As he stood before a shocked global press he proceeded to shave off his trademark beard, while reading the following statement:
"Today is a historic day for the peoples of Ireland. Ian Paisley has refused to go into government with us. He wanted a Polaroid. We sent him one of Barbre deBruin doing a sexy pose, but he sent it back. We sent him one of Alex Maskey doing a sexy pose, he didn't send it back, but still no government. So after a period of consultation, today in front of the world I am publicly decommissioning my beard. Republicans have made the first step Mr. Paisley. It's now up to you to decommission Jeffery Donaldson."
The Queen's member of Parliament for West Belfast, Gerry Adams, today made a public act of decommissioning in the face of growing pressure/girly moaning from the DUP. As he stood before a shocked global press he proceeded to shave off his trademark beard, while reading the following statement:
"Today is a historic day for the peoples of Ireland. Ian Paisley has refused to go into government with us. He wanted a Polaroid. We sent him one of Barbre deBruin doing a sexy pose, but he sent it back. We sent him one of Alex Maskey doing a sexy pose, he didn't send it back, but still no government. So after a period of consultation, today in front of the world I am publicly decommissioning my beard. Republicans have made the first step Mr. Paisley. It's now up to you to decommission Jeffery Donaldson."
revol68 said:As if anyone thinks the act of decomissioning is literally about putting arms out of use. Do you think if the RA wanted to go back to war they couldn't just buy another shit load?
The act of decommisioning was always symbolic.
I mean do you really expect people who have in their eyes fought the Brits without surrender for close to 100 years (going on their own historography of course) would hand their guns over to the British government.
Plenty of criticisms can be made of republicanism but casting doubt on the significance of this decommissioning is just barking.
A better question is why the IRA deluded themselves for so long that they could bomb the British state out and force a united ireland on the unionist population. So much brutality and death unleashed in the name of republican blood sacrifice dogma, all for a Gerry Adams to sit up in Stormont with an expenses account and have a tri colour in his office.
You started off brilliantly and to be honest I suppose you have a valid point at the end.
Your growing on me revol.
Idris2002
canadian girlfriend
oi2002 said:
You hear anecdotal evidence in the south of people going to the guards with a problem and being told to feck off. . . so they go to their local SF office instead.
You're right there is no magic wand, that can be waved to overcome this situation.
But the rational moderate path of reform hasn't exactly been a brilliant success either.
The Guardian provides this unsourced inventory.oi2002 said:
This adds an extra ton of Semtex and a few other negative discrepencies.
I don't know why de Chastelain assumes it would take "a hell of a long time" to assemble a similar armoury. Getting hold of 650 AK47s in Eastern Europe is the work of a couple of months.
A very considerable number of people spent a very considerable number of years in prison for their part in accumulating and importing the arsenal. If the task was anything other than extremely difficult, this would not be the case. Buying 650 AK47's and getting them into the UK without getting noticed by the government is a task with an extremely high probability of failure.oi2002 said:
Think about it. Imagine you have a lot of money and want to buy a lot of arms and stash them in the UK. How would you go about it?
(almost all answers to this question have a very high probability of placing you in prison for a very long time indeed)
Nigel Irritable
Five, Ten, Fifteen Years
tobyjug said:
This may come as a shock to you but eyewitness reports are evidence.
cemertyone
Well-Known Member
soulman said:
Well that analysis is SO OLD FASHIONED that the problem is it might end up being true....
What the fuck do these REJECTIONIST prods want..they claimed that the provo`s had no electoral mandate..fucked them on that..
They claimed we could not become so-called " democrats" we fucked them on that..
They claimed we had " No support" in the nationalist communities..well thats put to bed then..( biggest party in all of ireland at the moment)
These protestant 17th century fundementalists will adhere to nothing but thier own ideology even when it goes against al the governing ethos....its the same old shit of a " Protestant Parliament for a protestant people" dictate....realisethbis you fucking idiots...your time has come and gone....you got NEW masters in your political system........and you had better understand it.....fucking idiot religious anti papist silly cunts......
cemertyone
Well-Known Member
tobyjug said:
FUck off toby your starting to sound like a prod from the Shankill who wont face facts.......
Britains time ruling IRELAND IS FUCKING OVER..now swallow it and get on....
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