Industrial music and its relationship(??) to fascism

[ManchesterBeth]

Spotify have taken down their cut hands material, IIRC. The new album is ... well techno, by which I mean significantly more dancefloor focused than his previous albums.

Surgeon dropped one of the tracks on it after a new Ontal unreleased (Penetration) on his last rinse FM show, 'the claw' I think. It hits hard.

I've been trying to avoid techno nights where they've booked him, E.G.: the downwards 20th anniversary. Which is a shame, because Veronica Vasicka, Helena Hauff, Daniel Miller and Regis were all doing extended sets...

http://www.residentadvisor.net/event.aspx?548484

I went to a night with prurient playing though BEB 2013, which, by all other standards, was loads of jubilant fun, esp. where Raime and Source Direct were concerned...

Idk it seems hard to avoid supporting this stuff anymore if you're into the harder/industrial side of techno, unless you're willing to shirk consumption of hard/industrial techno on the dancefloor. Not that I have a problem listening to this non-techno techno, I actually think Filosifem's a really good album, for instance. And Varg is still openly into that mystical fash pagan primmie shite. Would never purchase though...

 

[ManchesterBeth]

from the discordian corner: http://chaosmarxism.blogspot.co.nz/2012/03/chaos-marxism-manifesto-20.html

Oh dear I think I spoke to this guy about Wittgenstein 6/7 months ago. Sure resembles his writing style, at any rate. He had apostatised by then...

 

[ManchesterBeth]

are there many industrial acts i can listen to without dodge?

If you mean without discernable arpeggiated melodies and song structures, then yes sure.

Some of my favourites: orphx, Esplendor Geometrico, geistform, imminent/imminent starvation, dead Fader, cloaks, Xanopticon, Sonar, Winterkalte, Terrorfakt, Scorn, This Morn' Omina/Mika Goedrijk, Shapednoise, violetshaped, Container, Run Dust, Whirling Hall of Knives, Swarm Intelligence. Labels like Ant-zen, Hymen, Hands Productions and Ad Nauseam.

Tbh I find a lot of that goth stuff to be too teutonic und trancy and not very industrial, but each to their own I guess. Stuff like Suicide Commando, i just don't get it, sounds like some hybrid between EBM and trance, beats flat as a grid, extremely metronomic.

Anyway, check the acts I've mentioned, they might be a bit too harsh and atonal but definitely worth investigating .

 

[ManchesterBeth]

Oh, also, Makai

 

[frogwoman]

I do like terrorfakt. I'll check out the others.

If it's not fash bollocks it seems to be misogyny - a band I thought was all right released a video that was basically a rape scene

 

[butchersapron]

Terrorfart. Two-ronnie-tastic.

 

[ManchesterBeth]

frogwoman this seems to be one of my favourite new industrial records, more on the techno side of things, but industrial has always been more of an aesthetic rather than a definable genre, imho...

 

[ManchesterBeth]

There is also
This industrial black metal album by Blut Aus Nord

I don't think he's fash, I certainly hope not! Although being signed to candlelight exhibits poor judgment...

Gnaw their tongues is also good for this kind of thing.

 

[frogwoman]

http://industrialantioppression.blogspot.co.uk/?m=1

Interesting blog that looks at the fucked up attitudes to gender and race in industrial and goth.

Not read it all but seems alright in the main.

It's very good from what I remember.

 

[ouchmonkey]

There is also
This industrial black metal album by Blut Aus Nord

I don't think he's fash, I certainly hope not! Although being signed to candlelight exhibits poor judgment...

Gnaw their tongues is also good for this kind of thing.

bugger, what's the deal with Candlelight then?

I've no real knowledge of them, but the name has come up a bit lately - Palehorse, Orange Goblin, Opium Lord have signed with them I think
seems it's run by one of Extreme Noise Terror who I liked back in the day too - they put out some dodgy black metal stuff I'm guessing?

 

[Monkeygrinder's Organ]

bugger, what's the deal with Candlelight then?

I've no real knowledge of them, but the name has come up a bit lately - Palehorse, Orange Goblin, Opium Lord have signed with them I think
seems it's run by one of Extreme Noise Terror who I liked back in the day too - they put out some dodgy black metal stuff I'm guessing?

That's the one. See this thread's sister thread: http://www.urban75.net/forums/threads/black-metal-that-is-not-politically-dodge.316565/page-5

 

[ManchesterBeth]

bugger, what's the deal with Candlelight then?

I've no real knowledge of them, but the name has come up a bit lately - Palehorse, Orange Goblin, Opium Lord have signed with them I think
seems it's run by one of Extreme Noise Terror who I liked back in the day too - they put out some dodgy black metal stuff I'm guessing?

Yes, they've released albums by Winterfylleth, amongst others...

 

[ManchesterBeth]

ouchmonkey

Quotes from an interview

We are very proud and outspoken nationalists. But the widespread understanding of ‘nationalism’ seems to be that which the extreme left have been pushing through the left-centric media over the past 40 years to mean something essentially misrepresentative of what ‘nationalism’ truly is. Nationalism in its truest sense should not be confused with racism or fascism ever.

“Both The Nazi party and the Communist party were fascist ideologies however neither were nationalist ideologies at all. The Germans sought to envelop the whole of Europe under their banner, they were essentially the first attempt at some kind of tyrannical EU, and none of us as romantic nationalists would ever want that. It destroys any sense of unique national identity and only serves to further enslave mass populations of people under a single, global regime. The Communist party of the Soviet Union, also did exactly the same thing, they were also a fascist ideology but more historically recognized as being opposed to ‘nationalism’.
“Nationalism is the devotion to the interests or culture of one’s nation, the honouring of its unique sense of cultural and ancestral identity. It does not EVER mean to hate another race of people or their culture. That IS racism. What is wrong with feeling a strong love and a bond for the land and the culture of the nation you are born of? Why is it all of a sudden now that we are made to feel bad for wanting to defend our history? The land that our ancestors have farmed, lived on and defended, our unique architecture and natural landscape, our unique set of cultural customs and folklore, and our unique history and ancestral heritage. None of these things involve hating other races or nations, just the love and care of our own. If we are not to take care of our own, surely we are forsaking our very existence?!”

 

[ManchesterBeth]

I was listening to that Ancient Methods EE mix where they layer Non's 'Out Out Out' over some banging techno today.

Fucking great mix though...

 

[ouchmonkey]

oh FFS.
Ancient Methods is AMAZING

and fucking German.
he ought to have more sense

 

[ManchesterBeth]

oh FFS.
Ancient Methods is AMAZING

and fucking German.
he ought to have more sense

I was talking about Non/Boyd Rice?

I've seen Am and Regis live together and it was fucking amazing.

 

[ManchesterBeth]

Oh just saw your edit.

 

[killer b]

Saw a pic of Surgeon wearing a Burzum shirt a few weeks ago, and his defence of his nazi loving mates in that recent interview (for bloc?) is pretty weak.

 

[frogwoman]

Candlelight are dodgy as fuck.

 

[killer b]

ie. don't have no fucking heroes, yeah.

 

[ManchesterBeth]

Saw a pic of Surgeon wearing a Burzum shirt a few weeks ago, and his defence of his nazi loving mates in that recent interview (for bloc?) is pretty weak.

Can you link to that interview?

 

[killer b]

http://blocweekend.com/surgeon-exclusive-interview/

I was listening to Muggerscum Out a while back, and wondered if you had any thoughts on the state of the UK since then (1996)? Reports are it’s safer, crime is down etc., but at the same time there seems to be a rise in the further right, less tolerance – even some techno labels have been accused of flirting with fascist ideologies in offensive ways. Do you have any thoughts on all that?

I believe that you can examine, explore or comment on anything with your art. Just because you write a book about tightrope walkers doesn’t automatically mean that you are one. That’s a ridiculous assumption to make.

 

[frogwoman]

It's the whole 'are we, aren't we' bollocks so common to that genre

 

[ManchesterBeth]

http://blocweekend.com/surgeon-exclusive-interview/

Thanks, no surprise there.

 

[killer b]

I was suprised, a little. I mean, he's right - you can explore all that stuff without being a nazi. but he's basically swerving the question by saying that, while at the same time happy to be seen wearing a t-shirt promoting an explicitly nazi band. For some reason I expected better.

 

[ManchesterBeth]

It's the whole 'are we, aren't we' bollocks so common to that genre

TBH from someone who makes a point of playing music with a distinctive (for lack of a better term) black music influence I.E: techno, one would expect better from Surgeon when he talks about his industrial influences and Bennett/BEB...

I mean there's nothing wrong with admitting that you like music on an aesthetically sonic level even if the politics of the artist are dodge I.E: Burzum, but acknowledge caveats.

 

[ManchesterBeth]

I was suprised, a little. I mean, he's right - you can explore all that stuff without being a nazi. but he's basically swerving the question by saying that, while at the same time happy to be seen wearing a t-shirt promoting an explicitly nazi band. For some reason I expected better.

Sometimes I wonder how much of this is the point though? To wind up people and create a mystical aura? I know it's crass and that and in no way provocative but...

But why even bother doing that in techno. The whole resistant ethos of techno is contained on the dancefloor. That's the whole point. If techno got less rhythmic, it just wouldn't have much of a point. See for instance squat techno...

 

[ManchesterBeth]

I was suprised, a little. I mean, he's right - you can explore all that stuff without being a nazi. but he's basically swerving the question by saying that, while at the same time happy to be seen wearing a t-shirt promoting an explicitly nazi band. For some reason I expected better.

Is this the Burzum tshirt incident you're talking about?

I can't see so am unable to verify...

 

[killer b]

he is wearing a burzum shirt there.

 

[ManchesterBeth]

killer b I also had an exchange with the Black Dog and Imaginary Forces on Twitter, where they told me that both Kiran Sande (of BEB fame) and Prurient (hospital productions) aren't white. Dafuq?