Implications for the rest of us if Scotland votes yes

[frogwoman]

Worse than Stalin.

It's bizarre how many things I've seen comparing him to Hitler.

 

[belboid]

Interesting quote from Galloway:

"Now, if Labour is to get out of its deathbed in Scotland, whatever the result, it’s going to have to become Labour again – real Labour again. I’m ready to help them with that and my goodness they need help with it."

Clearly given up hope of being reelected in Bradford.

 

[DotCommunist]

he'll have to do another RT series to keep the cupboards stocked

 

[butchersapron]

Interesting quote from Galloway:

"Now, if Labour is to get out of its deathbed in Scotland, whatever the result, it’s going to have to become Labour again – real Labour again. I’m ready to help them with that and my goodness they need help with it."

Clearly given up hope of being reelected in Bradford.

He's after expanding that 3% he got last time he stood in glasgow.

(And finally my long time ago prediction of where he would end up would be proven correct)

 

[ViolentPanda]

The plague of locusts and the rains of blood will be along shortly.

It's the plague of public arse-itches that I truly fear.

 

[nino_savatte]

Interesting quote from Galloway:

"Now, if Labour is to get out of its deathbed in Scotland, whatever the result, it’s going to have to become Labour again – real Labour again. I’m ready to help them with that and my goodness they need help with it."

Clearly given up hope of being reelected in Bradford.

 

[nino_savatte]

Indeed, states that the Queen will be head of state. I wonder if treasonous bastardly has actually asked her Majesty what she thinks. I should imagine She thinks that his head would look good on a pike at Traitor'a Gate.

Madge will take what she can get.

 

[8ball]

They're talking about announcing it Friday morning.

Cool, I thought it might be the weekend or even Monday.

 

[ibilly99]

Indeed, states that the Queen will be head of state. I wonder if treasonous bastardly has actually asked her Majesty what she thinks. I should imagine She thinks that his head would look good on a pike at Traitor'a Gate.

He has bowed to Her Imperial Maj so there should be no need for unpleasantness whatever the outcome. Would be good though if he nationalised Balmoral in the case of Yes and turned it into a world class tourist attraction - would piss off the Saxe-Coburgs no end.

 

[danny la rouge]

I'm talking about the SNP because that's who will get in.

I can understand that people outside Scotland don’t really have any sense of what’s going on here. I don’t blame them for that – if I had to rely on the BBC, I wouldn’t either. But there are some important points posters from Scotland have been making, that I still think people aren’t fully appreciating.


1. The SNP is not the whole of the official Yes Scotland. There are others in there, such as the Greens, the SSP and others. This is not as important as the next two points.

2. The official Yes Scotland campaign has been left far, far behind by the Yes movement. Yes Scotland is pretty dull and uninspiring (its posters are like adverts for a high street bank) and is not in control of what’s going on. It doesn’t lead, and the Yes camp doesn’t see it as its leader. The SNP and Yes Scotland have been as stunned as everyone else by the Yes movement, which is spontaneous and bottom up.

3. The level of engagement is staggering. The No camp hates this, and its representatives are often overtly angry about it.


Let me give you some illustrations. On Friday, I went to the barber. He just began talking to me, unbidden, about how he’d changed his mind from No to Yes that week. (He watched the devo panic, and thought – If more powers are so desirable, why is there only now such enthusiasm from the No politicians? And if they’re so desirable, why stop at the limited range being offered?)

I later went to the petrol station. The two cashiers were discussing what further levels of nationalisation in an independent Scotland it might be possible for the populace to demand, in addition to those offered by Salmond. Their debate was lively. (One thought it was limited to what the SNP had on offer, the other thought the people had overtaken the politicians, and the politicians were in no position to stem the public mood).

When I was wearing my Yes badge in the street last week, a stranger – an elderly man – approached me to explain why he was voting No. We had a friendly discussion on the street, agreed to disagee, shook hands, and went our ways.

On Saturday, there were lively pro Yes street campaigns – with musicians and public engagement as well as stalls and leaflets - in Dunblane High Street, in Bridge of Allan, and in Stirling, where there were events in Port Street and simultaneously in Friars’ Street. These towns are right next to each other, (so much so that Stirling University is actually in Bridge of Allan). The other surrounding towns and villages had their own events, too. When I was an anti poll tax organiser, I could get one event organised in Stirling, but it would have been drawing on people from all the surrounding towns. Nobody would have expected events simultaneously in all that “catchment” area. Never mind two simultaneous street events in Stirling as well.

That evening, there was another open public debate here in Dunblane. (There have been several since April, all of them full houses). Both sides provided speakers. The high school hall was filled to capacity. At the end, 80% of the audience voted Yes in a show of hands.

This is Dunblane. Not natural Yes territory. Prior to 2011, the local SNP branch would have been lucky to claim 6 active members. (Probably still does). This audience had not been stuffed with SNP supporters – they just don’t have the capacity to do so.

This debate is alive everywhere every day. 97% of eligible voters have registered to vote.

I have been involved in the miners’ strike, the anti poll tax campaign, the Stop the War campaign, and numerous others. I’ve seen nothing like it, ever.

People outside of Scotland should appreciate that the Yes movement is not led by the politicians. It is leading itself. I hope and believe that if we vote Yes, the public will is going to be something the political classes will find very hard to manage or resist. People will be pushing the political classes for as much as they can get. There have not been conditions like this since the political classes after the War had to concede the Welfare State.

I had hoped this would happen, but I didn’t anticipate just how much it would take hold. It has vastly outstripped my expectations.

Don’t get me wrong. I still don’t think that parliamentary democracy will deliver socialism or anything like it. But I don’t think it’s only Westminster that’ll be on the back foot if Yes wins: the SNP will be, too. We just have to hope that organisations like RIC are prepared to make the most of the engagement!

If you are outside of Scotland, I don’t blame you for your scepticism. But believe me, what’s going on here is astonishing. So saying this is something led by the SNP is to miss almost all that is important about this phenomenon.

We are aware that a result of voting Yes will be that the SNP will likely form the first government, but that is not the reason many of us are doing it, and the SNP will soon find out, if it hasn’t already realised, not only are they not in the driving seat now, but if we, the people, can keep our nerve, they won’t be from Friday onwards either.

 

[andysays]

I can understand that people outside Scotland don’t really have any sense of what’s going on here. I don’t blame them for that – if I had to rely on the BBC, I wouldn’t either. But there are some important points posters from Scotland have been making, that I still think people aren’t fully appreciating...

I think it's really useful (and encouraging) for you to set all that out for those of us not able to witness it firsthand. I do think though that it's maybe useful now to start to seperate out why you and many others are voting Yes, from what you think is actually likely to happen if Yes wins.

...We are aware that a result of voting Yes will be that the SNP will likely form the first government, but that is not the reason many of us are doing it, and the SNP will soon find out, if it hasn’t already realised, not only are they not in the driving seat now, but if we, the people, can keep our nerve, they won’t be from Friday onwards either.

How are you going to ensure that you remain in the driving seat and particularly that the things you want, some of which have been part of the official Yes campaign's promises for the future, some of which haven't, are included in the post-Yes settlement?

I'm thinking mainly, but not exclusively about negotiations and horse trading between the new Scotland and rUK which, as has been said on one or other of these threads, will be between and in the interests of the ruling classes of those two sides, and the voices of RIC etc will, I suggest, not be invited to take part.

To give an example, the SNP position is that they want to get rid of Trident from Scotland and they want to enter into currency union with rUK. The rUK position will be they want to keep Trident based in Scotland and they don't want currency union. Isn't it possible to imagine a deal whereby Salmond agrees to keep Trident based in Scotland in return for rUK agreeing to currency union?* How are you (the collective you) going to prevent this sort of deal from being made?

*I'm not making a prediction, BTW, just giving this as an example, perhaps an extreme or ridiculous one...

 

[weltweit]

I don't think in the event of a Yes vote UK Government will want Trident to remain in Scotland!

 

[newbie]

Do you know what Danny, I'm jealous. I've never experienced what you're describing, I'd like to.

All we have is a vague sense of hurt that we may have to change at someone else's whim. Over the last couple of years this referendum has cropped up in conversation relatively infrequently, but when it has I've found myself saying variants of "it's hard to see how they can have self-determination if we get a vote".

Now Paxman had waded in with pathetic clickbait to make out that's a scandal (Guardian writeup here, tbh the original is barely worth reading, not even for frothing comments.)

are you surprised I'm jealous

 

[DotCommunist]

I've been supporting scots indy since it was touted just based on the 'fuck tories/westminster' angle. Why be even vaugely resentful? They're (hopefully) going to stuff it to the ossified political establishment. Good guns.

Every chance that a yes vote could be agitprop potential down here too.

I know indy means a whole host of other things for those within the polity, but from my angle- let it happen, with a landslide.

 

[andysays]

I don't think in the event of a Yes vote UK Government will want Trident to remain in Scotland!

Maybe not in the long term, but in the short term they are unlikely to be able to arrange a practical alternative before the suggested day of independence.

Anyway, it's not about my specific example, but more about the idea that danny la rouge and others with his outlook (which I broadly agree with) are likely to be shut out of the negotiation process, unless they can ensure their voices are heard.

 

[Dillinger4]

I can understand that people outside Scotland don’t really have any sense of what’s going on here. I don’t blame them for that – if I had to rely on the BBC, I wouldn’t either. But there are some important points posters from Scotland have been making, that I still think people aren’t fully appreciating.


1. The SNP is not the whole of the official Yes Scotland. There are others in there, such as the Greens, the SSP and others. This is not as important as the next two points.

2. The official Yes Scotland campaign has been left far, far behind by the Yes movement. Yes Scotland is pretty dull and uninspiring (its posters are like adverts for a high street bank) and is not in control of what’s going on. It doesn’t lead, and the Yes camp doesn’t see it as its leader. The SNP and Yes Scotland have been as stunned as everyone else by the Yes movement, which is spontaneous and bottom up.

3. The level of engagement is staggering. The No camp hates this, and its representatives are often overtly angry about it.


Let me give you some illustrations. On Friday, I went to the barber. He just began talking to me, unbidden, about how he’d changed his mind from No to Yes that week. (He watched the devo panic, and thought – If more powers are so desirable, why is there only now such enthusiasm from the No politicians? And if they’re so desirable, why stop at the limited range being offered?)

I later went to the petrol station. The two cashiers were discussing what further levels of nationalisation in an independent Scotland it might be possible for the populace to demand, in addition to those offered by Salmond. Their debate was lively. (One thought it was limited to what the SNP had on offer, the other thought the people had overtaken the politicians, and the politicians were in no position to stem the public mood).

When I was wearing my Yes badge in the street last week, a stranger – an elderly man – approached me to explain why he was voting No. We had a friendly discussion on the street, agreed to disagee, shook hands, and went our ways.

On Saturday, there were lively pro Yes street campaigns – with musicians and public engagement as well as stalls and leaflets - in Dunblane High Street, in Bridge of Allan, and in Stirling, where there were events in Port Street and simultaneously in Friars’ Street. These towns are right next to each other, (so much so that Stirling University is actually in Bridge of Allan). The other surrounding towns and villages had their own events, too. When I was an anti poll tax organiser, I could get one event organised in Stirling, but it would have been drawing on people from all the surrounding towns. Nobody would have expected events simultaneously in all that “catchment” area. Never mind two simultaneous street events in Stirling as well.

That evening, there was another open public debate here in Dunblane. (There have been several since April, all of them full houses). Both sides provided speakers. The high school hall was filled to capacity. At the end, 80% of the audience voted Yes in a show of hands.

This is Dunblane. Not natural Yes territory. Prior to 2011, the local SNP branch would have been lucky to claim 6 active members. (Probably still does). This audience had not been stuffed with SNP supporters – they just don’t have the capacity to do so.

This debate is alive everywhere every day. 97% of eligible voters have registered to vote.

I have been involved in the miners’ strike, the anti poll tax campaign, the Stop the War campaign, and numerous others. I’ve seen nothing like it, ever.

People outside of Scotland should appreciate that the Yes movement is not led by the politicians. It is leading itself. I hope and believe that if we vote Yes, the public will is going to be something the political classes will find very hard to manage or resist. People will be pushing the political classes for as much as they can get. There have not been conditions like this since the political classes after the War had to concede the Welfare State.

I had hoped this would happen, but I didn’t anticipate just how much it would take hold. It has vastly outstripped my expectations.

Don’t get me wrong. I still don’t think that parliamentary democracy will deliver socialism or anything like it. But I don’t think it’s only Westminster that’ll be on the back foot if Yes wins: the SNP will be, too. We just have to hope that organisations like RIC are prepared to make the most of the engagement!

If you are outside of Scotland, I don’t blame you for your scepticism. But believe me, what’s going on here is astonishing. So saying this is something led by the SNP is to miss almost all that is important about this phenomenon.

We are aware that a result of voting Yes will be that the SNP will likely form the first government, but that is not the reason many of us are doing it, and the SNP will soon find out, if it hasn’t already realised, not only are they not in the driving seat now, but if we, the people, can keep our nerve, they won’t be from Friday onwards either.

This is what democracy looks like

 

[krink]

Excellent post Danny, really sounds exciting and promising. Hopefully this will be built upon no matter the outcome of the ref.

 

[magneze]

I can understand that people outside Scotland don’t really have any sense of what’s going on here. I don’t blame them for that – if I had to rely on the BBC, I wouldn’t either. But there are some important points posters from Scotland have been making, that I still think people aren’t fully appreciating.


1. The SNP is not the whole of the official Yes Scotland. There are others in there, such as the Greens, the SSP and others. This is not as important as the next two points.

2. The official Yes Scotland campaign has been left far, far behind by the Yes movement. Yes Scotland is pretty dull and uninspiring (its posters are like adverts for a high street bank) and is not in control of what’s going on. It doesn’t lead, and the Yes camp doesn’t see it as its leader. The SNP and Yes Scotland have been as stunned as everyone else by the Yes movement, which is spontaneous and bottom up.

3. The level of engagement is staggering. The No camp hates this, and its representatives are often overtly angry about it.


Let me give you some illustrations. On Friday, I went to the barber. He just began talking to me, unbidden, about how he’d changed his mind from No to Yes that week. (He watched the devo panic, and thought – If more powers are so desirable, why is there only now such enthusiasm from the No politicians? And if they’re so desirable, why stop at the limited range being offered?)

I later went to the petrol station. The two cashiers were discussing what further levels of nationalisation in an independent Scotland it might be possible for the populace to demand, in addition to those offered by Salmond. Their debate was lively. (One thought it was limited to what the SNP had on offer, the other thought the people had overtaken the politicians, and the politicians were in no position to stem the public mood).

When I was wearing my Yes badge in the street last week, a stranger – an elderly man – approached me to explain why he was voting No. We had a friendly discussion on the street, agreed to disagee, shook hands, and went our ways.

On Saturday, there were lively pro Yes street campaigns – with musicians and public engagement as well as stalls and leaflets - in Dunblane High Street, in Bridge of Allan, and in Stirling, where there were events in Port Street and simultaneously in Friars’ Street. These towns are right next to each other, (so much so that Stirling University is actually in Bridge of Allan). The other surrounding towns and villages had their own events, too. When I was an anti poll tax organiser, I could get one event organised in Stirling, but it would have been drawing on people from all the surrounding towns. Nobody would have expected events simultaneously in all that “catchment” area. Never mind two simultaneous street events in Stirling as well.

That evening, there was another open public debate here in Dunblane. (There have been several since April, all of them full houses). Both sides provided speakers. The high school hall was filled to capacity. At the end, 80% of the audience voted Yes in a show of hands.

This is Dunblane. Not natural Yes territory. Prior to 2011, the local SNP branch would have been lucky to claim 6 active members. (Probably still does). This audience had not been stuffed with SNP supporters – they just don’t have the capacity to do so.

This debate is alive everywhere every day. 97% of eligible voters have registered to vote.

I have been involved in the miners’ strike, the anti poll tax campaign, the Stop the War campaign, and numerous others. I’ve seen nothing like it, ever.

People outside of Scotland should appreciate that the Yes movement is not led by the politicians. It is leading itself. I hope and believe that if we vote Yes, the public will is going to be something the political classes will find very hard to manage or resist. People will be pushing the political classes for as much as they can get. There have not been conditions like this since the political classes after the War had to concede the Welfare State.

I had hoped this would happen, but I didn’t anticipate just how much it would take hold. It has vastly outstripped my expectations.

Don’t get me wrong. I still don’t think that parliamentary democracy will deliver socialism or anything like it. But I don’t think it’s only Westminster that’ll be on the back foot if Yes wins: the SNP will be, too. We just have to hope that organisations like RIC are prepared to make the most of the engagement!

If you are outside of Scotland, I don’t blame you for your scepticism. But believe me, what’s going on here is astonishing. So saying this is something led by the SNP is to miss almost all that is important about this phenomenon.

We are aware that a result of voting Yes will be that the SNP will likely form the first government, but that is not the reason many of us are doing it, and the SNP will soon find out, if it hasn’t already realised, not only are they not in the driving seat now, but if we, the people, can keep our nerve, they won’t be from Friday onwards either.

That's a great post. What you describe is really not what comes over on the news at all. I'm really looking forward to Friday and hoping for a Yes. Not just for Scotland but for the shake-up that must happen to the UK in general.

 

[weepiper]

Danny's right. It's incredibly exciting. Everyone, I mean everyone is engaged with it. Most of my friends have expressed their difficulty in thinking about anything else. Even my kids are discussing it with each other at school. The air is fizzing with possibility.

 

[treelover]

Thanks for the updates, Danny, good to see it from the inside,

Though I personally feel the BBC is now covering the grassroots stuff there a bit better.

ducks for cover

 

[Dan U]

Really interesting post danny la rouge thank you, I admit to missing a lot of that due to following on msm in England.

 

[Anonymous1]

What you describe is really not what comes over on the news at all.

Bit like this?

What is portrayed in the media is not how it appears on the streets, not by a long shot. For a long time i've thought the NO would win, that people just wouldn't go for it but the official YES campaign has spawned a movement the really seems to be taking over.
I really think YES will win now.

 

[magneze]

Bit like this?

That's a good illustration. Wow.

 

[treelover]

http://wingsoverscotland.com/and-then-my-heart-went-boom/


Yes, I thought they, the BBC, were getting better, then I read this

surely one reason is if its a yes then jobs at the BBC go?

 

[danny la rouge]

I think it's really useful (and encouraging) for you to set all that out for those of us not able to witness it firsthand. I do think though that it's maybe useful now to start to seperate out why you and many others are voting Yes, from what you think is actually likely to happen if Yes wins.



How are you going to ensure that you remain in the driving seat and particularly that the things you want, some of which have been part of the official Yes campaign's promises for the future, some of which haven't, are included in the post-Yes settlement?

I'm thinking mainly, but not exclusively about negotiations and horse trading between the new Scotland and rUK which, as has been said on one or other of these threads, will be between and in the interests of the ruling classes of those two sides, and the voices of RIC etc will, I suggest, not be invited to take part.

To give an example, the SNP position is that they want to get rid of Trident from Scotland and they want to enter into currency union with rUK. The rUK position will be they want to keep Trident based in Scotland and they don't want currency union. Isn't it possible to imagine a deal whereby Salmond agrees to keep Trident based in Scotland in return for rUK agreeing to currency union?* How are you (the collective you) going to prevent this sort of deal from being made?

*I'm not making a prediction, BTW, just giving this as an example, perhaps an extreme or ridiculous one...

Well, one example I could give is the way a new constitution will be written: http://www.scotland.gov.uk/News/Releases/2013/01/written-constitution16012013

“There are some recent and inspiring examples of constitutional renewal involving citizens as well as politicians. In particular, Iceland is an example of modern technologies being used to harness enthusiasm of citizens as well as politicians in the renewal of their constitution.

“Scotland’s convention will provide an opportunity for everyone to express their views. All political parties will be involved, together with the wider public and civic Scotland.

I can see some really useful input being organised there.

As for Trident, Salmond can't back down on that. Unilateralism is second only to independence in the core values of his party. His own party wouldn't let him trade Trident for anything, never mind the wider Yes movement.

I do think it'll be a challenge to the working class to stay organised and so on, but it's a challenge I look forward to. Let's see what we can achieve if Yes wins on Thursday.

 

[Anonymous1]

That's a good illustration. Wow.

Plenty more like that about.
Some of it is outright deceit, others simply lying by ommision but it's all part of the same strategy.


There was an Orange Order parade in Edinburgh packaged as a rally for the no campaign.
Here's the fluffy family friendly bbc version compared to the ugly truth.
These people really are from a bygone age.

 

[treelover]

a young woman with a life-limiting illness called Alpha-1 Antitrypsin Deficiency climbed the face of Edinburgh Castle with oxygen strapped to her back and tubes up her nose. (The only cure for A1AD is a double lung transplant.)
This is what she did there.

http://wingsoverscotland.com/we-are-not-afraid/

If you have people who believe in independence like this woman then Scotland will be OK.

 

[likesfish]

Its totally going to end up like this

 

[marty21]

I can understand that people outside Scotland don’t really have any sense of what’s going on here. I don’t blame them for that – if I had to rely on the BBC, I wouldn’t either. But there are some important points posters from Scotland have been making, that I still think people aren’t fully appreciating.


1. The SNP is not the whole of the official Yes Scotland. There are others in there, such as the Greens, the SSP and others. This is not as important as the next two points.

2. The official Yes Scotland campaign has been left far, far behind by the Yes movement. Yes Scotland is pretty dull and uninspiring (its posters are like adverts for a high street bank) and is not in control of what’s going on. It doesn’t lead, and the Yes camp doesn’t see it as its leader. The SNP and Yes Scotland have been as stunned as everyone else by the Yes movement, which is spontaneous and bottom up.

3. The level of engagement is staggering. The No camp hates this, and its representatives are often overtly angry about it.


Let me give you some illustrations. On Friday, I went to the barber. He just began talking to me, unbidden, about how he’d changed his mind from No to Yes that week. (He watched the devo panic, and thought – If more powers are so desirable, why is there only now such enthusiasm from the No politicians? And if they’re so desirable, why stop at the limited range being offered?)

I later went to the petrol station. The two cashiers were discussing what further levels of nationalisation in an independent Scotland it might be possible for the populace to demand, in addition to those offered by Salmond. Their debate was lively. (One thought it was limited to what the SNP had on offer, the other thought the people had overtaken the politicians, and the politicians were in no position to stem the public mood).

When I was wearing my Yes badge in the street last week, a stranger – an elderly man – approached me to explain why he was voting No. We had a friendly discussion on the street, agreed to disagee, shook hands, and went our ways.

On Saturday, there were lively pro Yes street campaigns – with musicians and public engagement as well as stalls and leaflets - in Dunblane High Street, in Bridge of Allan, and in Stirling, where there were events in Port Street and simultaneously in Friars’ Street. These towns are right next to each other, (so much so that Stirling University is actually in Bridge of Allan). The other surrounding towns and villages had their own events, too. When I was an anti poll tax organiser, I could get one event organised in Stirling, but it would have been drawing on people from all the surrounding towns. Nobody would have expected events simultaneously in all that “catchment” area. Never mind two simultaneous street events in Stirling as well.

That evening, there was another open public debate here in Dunblane. (There have been several since April, all of them full houses). Both sides provided speakers. The high school hall was filled to capacity. At the end, 80% of the audience voted Yes in a show of hands.

This is Dunblane. Not natural Yes territory. Prior to 2011, the local SNP branch would have been lucky to claim 6 active members. (Probably still does). This audience had not been stuffed with SNP supporters – they just don’t have the capacity to do so.

This debate is alive everywhere every day. 97% of eligible voters have registered to vote.

I have been involved in the miners’ strike, the anti poll tax campaign, the Stop the War campaign, and numerous others. I’ve seen nothing like it, ever.

People outside of Scotland should appreciate that the Yes movement is not led by the politicians. It is leading itself. I hope and believe that if we vote Yes, the public will is going to be something the political classes will find very hard to manage or resist. People will be pushing the political classes for as much as they can get. There have not been conditions like this since the political classes after the War had to concede the Welfare State.

I had hoped this would happen, but I didn’t anticipate just how much it would take hold. It has vastly outstripped my expectations.

Don’t get me wrong. I still don’t think that parliamentary democracy will deliver socialism or anything like it. But I don’t think it’s only Westminster that’ll be on the back foot if Yes wins: the SNP will be, too. We just have to hope that organisations like RIC are prepared to make the most of the engagement!

If you are outside of Scotland, I don’t blame you for your scepticism. But believe me, what’s going on here is astonishing. So saying this is something led by the SNP is to miss almost all that is important about this phenomenon.

We are aware that a result of voting Yes will be that the SNP will likely form the first government, but that is not the reason many of us are doing it, and the SNP will soon find out, if it hasn’t already realised, not only are they not in the driving seat now, but if we, the people, can keep our nerve, they won’t be from Friday onwards either.

great post - I am excited about the campaign - only wish I could vote yes as well

 

[19sixtysix]

I can understand that people outside Scotland don’t really have any sense of what’s going on here. I don’t blame them for that – if I had to rely on the BBC, I wouldn’t either. But there are some important points posters from Scotland have been making, that I still think people aren’t fully appreciating.

I was up home last week and I loved it. I was in a cafe with a friend when two girls just started talking to us about it the two more folks joined in. The place felt alive like with the people in control.