Hurricane Sandy - "Perfect Storm"
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Not surprisingly, scientists had been warning the city of a disaster like this for about 10 years & urging a levee system etc. With climate change many cities/countries will need to just spend the money & do it.....if they are able.
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/31/n...ge-could-ravage-new-york.html?ref=todayspaper
Yep.
Once again, I've been in Manhattan since Sunday, and I'm here to tell you that what you see on the television is GREATLY exaggerated. The main problem is everyone here over-reacting and cancelling all the transportation (I just found out that I'm going to be stuck here tonight as well).
Obviously the media will show you the worst scenes they can possibly find, to shock you and keep you watching. That is their job. But do not believe what you see on television. The television LIES.
I can't believe I actually have to point this out to adults.
First of all, there is no need for insults.
Second, it seems that you personally have been worse affected by this storm than most people. My sympathy. But you must understand that your personal experience is not universal. My experience (which I venture to suggest is more typical than yours) is that this is an instance of the proverbial "storm in a tea-cup." And frankly I'm not too happy about the media dramatizing this--people I know are worrying unnecessarily etc.
As I've said, I regard this as an object lesson in media misrepresentation.
An island that, if you believed the media, should have been 10 feet underwater by Monday.
Guess what? It is not. You are being lied to.
No timeline for repair on some subway stations, as lots have got a suspicious amount of water in them. Media lies
I'm here. You're not. So I don't really know how you have the gall to argue with me.
Unless perhaps you are one of those who naively assumes that what you see on the TV is the truth?
Balbi
Hey, Dean Yager!
Again Phil, you're assuming that everyone sucks down the media like its your continued repetition of how ship shape and bristol fashion you are. I don't. The storm surge was meant to be between 10 feet +, I believe it was higher than that.
Your own hyperbole about 10ft underwater is the lying here. There were concerns about the subway system, well founded, concerns about low lying areas of the city, well founded, worries about NJ and other coastal areas, well founded.
Just because your personal experience was at the centre of a place where the warnings were almost entirely based on flooding around the edges and into the underground workings of the city, and the safety information given by Bloomberg et al was to ensure that emergency services could get to those areas without major traffic or minor incidents (such as a madman dancing around Times Square with his coat off) delaying them.
The hype here is yours, your Laurie Penny-esque bravery in the face of a storm which wasn't predicted to affect you in your cosseted central location anyway. And your constant repetition of 'BUT IM OK!', which you use to highglight how terribly precious everyone has been about it.
Or, if that's tl:dr, fuck off Dwyer.
Im following the Transport Authority's updates, not the news outlets, by the way. I don't watch the news, I read the updates from those people on the scene. So, despite your posturing, you are NOT in those stations, you are NOT in an affected area, so you've got some gall to say you know more than us. Would you claim intimate knowledge of 9/11 had you been in New York in the days after? Just because you're there, doesn't mean that you are host to a higher knowledge.
Your own hyperbole about 10ft underwater is the lying here. There were concerns about the subway system, well founded, concerns about low lying areas of the city, well founded, worries about NJ and other coastal areas, well founded.
Just because your personal experience was at the centre of a place where the warnings were almost entirely based on flooding around the edges and into the underground workings of the city, and the safety information given by Bloomberg et al was to ensure that emergency services could get to those areas without major traffic or minor incidents (such as a madman dancing around Times Square with his coat off) delaying them.
The hype here is yours, your Laurie Penny-esque bravery in the face of a storm which wasn't predicted to affect you in your cosseted central location anyway. And your constant repetition of 'BUT IM OK!', which you use to highglight how terribly precious everyone has been about it.
Or, if that's tl:dr, fuck off Dwyer.
Im following the Transport Authority's updates, not the news outlets, by the way. I don't watch the news, I read the updates from those people on the scene. So, despite your posturing, you are NOT in those stations, you are NOT in an affected area, so you've got some gall to say you know more than us. Would you claim intimate knowledge of 9/11 had you been in New York in the days after? Just because you're there, doesn't mean that you are host to a higher knowledge.
Well as a matter of fact, I was in Manhattan in the days after 9/11, and I would indeed claim more knowledge of it than those who were not present.
And since by your own admission you are sitting comfortably behind your screen 3,000 miles away, while I have spent the last 4 days dealing on the ground with a situation that has been made about 100 times worse than it need have been by scaremongering media and people's consequent over-reaction, I would certainly claim more knowledge of this situation than you. In fact I would claim more knowledge of just about any situation than you, for you are nothing but a pompous, stupid, ridiculous, laughable, pathetic and gullible idiot.
Balbi
Hey, Dean Yager!
"Dealing on the ground" - you went and danced in front of two cameras, got pissed up and met a girl. Well done for your expert handling of a situation that barring the transportation problems due to two flooded airports, a banjoed subway system and flooding in areas far from you has affected you in such a way thatyou have repeatedly, and boringly, decided to come on here and tell us how OK you are.
Thanks for dealing Phil, you've saved us all a lot of worry. There's also no need to resort to insults, is there?
Thanks for dealing Phil, you've saved us all a lot of worry. There's also no need to resort to insults, is there?
dylans
overlord of all acorns
Yeah what does Phil know. He's only there. God help us if we actually believe the words of eye witnesses on the ground. I trust sky TV far more than some guy walking around manhatton. Fucks sakes Phil, get with the programme. You're in the middle of a disaster, fucking act like it.No timeline for repair on some subway stations, as lots have got a suspicious amount of water in them. Media lies
quimcunx
imprimeo, lamino, distribuo
It's Phil.
Balbi
Hey, Dean Yager!
My info comes from here http://www.mta.info/nyct/ - they're in the tunnels actually dealing with it on the ground.
dylans
overlord of all acorns
Oh noes. The tunnels. No subway. What will we ever do.
Balbi
Hey, Dean Yager!
But it's correct information.
Terribly sorry. I know that such frivolity is beyond your imagination.
Honestly, people are amazing aren't they? Here I am, on the spot, able to provide not only eye-witness reports but also VISUAL PROOF that my account of the situation is accurate.
And yet Balbi and his ilk would prefer to believe what they are shown by Fox News. They would, they would prefer it. The world is somehow more comforting for such creatures once it has been mediated through corporate communication channels. They have been reduced to a condition where they will believe such media above the evidence of their own eyes.
What is the world coming to?
dylans
overlord of all acorns
I'm sure it is but no subway stations for a week is an inconvenience not a disaster.
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
Anyone else been humming christy moores 'hey sandy' for two days?
Balbi
Hey, Dean Yager!
Visual proof? 
You proved you were in an area which at surface level was unaffected. Nothing else.
Fox News? I can't afford sky.
Maybe it's that the evidence is coming from you Phil, and given your history of posting I might actually prefer Hannity etc than you as a reliable source. I am hopelessly biased against you, and freely admit it.
You proved you were in an area which at surface level was unaffected. Nothing else.Fox News?
I can't afford sky.Maybe it's that the evidence is coming from you Phil, and given your history of posting I might actually prefer Hannity etc than you as a reliable source. I am hopelessly biased against you, and freely admit it.
teuchter
je suis teuchter
I don't know why anyone would treat phildwyer as anything but a dispassionate, reliable source of information. It's not like he'd say stuff that people might be inclined to disagree with unless it was necessary work in furthering his longstanding mission to disseminate the truth on all matters.
By the way, didn't anyone notice that he had light-coloured trousers on during the webcam episode? Think about what that says about a person. THINK.
By the way, didn't anyone notice that he had light-coloured trousers on during the webcam episode? Think about what that says about a person. THINK.
dylans
overlord of all acorns
To completely ignore the account of a person on the ground because it conflicts with the news coverage you are receiving is ridiculous, especially when it is increasingly obvious that that news coverage has been hopelessly hysterical.
Think about it a moment. You are actually claiming that a guy standing in Manhattan right now is lying because you don't like what he is saying.
Think about it a moment. You are actually claiming that a guy standing in Manhattan right now is lying because you don't like what he is saying.
pics. i want pics.
ive also chatted to a mate overnight in brooklyn. he's also of the opinion that new york's demise has been greatly exaggerated. he volunteers on the obama campaign though so aint complaining.
Innit. If I'd come on here in tears, all hand-wringing and "oh my Gawd the sky is falling," Balbi and his like would have been solicitude incarnate. "Oh you poor thing, we feel your pain" and so forth.
But come on here and tell the truth: everything is basically fine, fewer than 20 deaths reported, actually rather a party atmosphere with most people enjoying the unexpected holiday... well, they don't want to hear it do they? Does not compute, conflicts with Fox News, cannot comprehend.
The only real problems I have right now are caused not by the storm itself but by people's over-reaction to the storm. As a result of which I'm likely to be stranded in the Hotel Sleazepit for another 2 days with rapidly diminishing funds and only a 22 year-old Peruvian beauty queen for company.
I blame Balbi, quite frankly. Thanks a lot, Balbi.
Balbi
Hey, Dean Yager!
Phils account is of being safely tucked up in Manhattan, where the storm had little effect. The thread is about Hurricane Sandy, Post Tropical Storm Sandy and now cor,it's a bit breezy Sandy - a 800 mile storm affecting lots of areas where Phil wasn't. The death toll is 48 in the US taking Sandy's count to just over 100.
It's not so much ignoring out of lack of belief, as ignoring out of lack of interest. There are more interesting things to focus on than Phil.
It's not so much ignoring out of lack of belief, as ignoring out of lack of interest. There are more interesting things to focus on than Phil.
quimcunx
imprimeo, lamino, distribuo
1. No one has ignored or discounted Phil's personal experience
2. People don't discount phil's account of anything because it conflicts with the news. When they discount it they discount it because it's Phil.
ska invita
back on the other side
I was at a climate change talk last year and it was said that NY had already built 'bunkers' for 1million people in preparation for climate related catastrophe...can anyone confirm that?
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