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Hurricane Sandy - "Perfect Storm"

boohoo said:
Quite a few - Tilden, Hatch, Ticknor, Stockbridge and Annable. My great great grandparents both had some of these lot in their ancestry though about ten generations back!
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How exciting. You should go over there and have a reunion :D
 
Miss Caphat said:
now I understand why people think you're a dick.
this was a huge storm, that caused massive damage and affected huge numbers of people.
also the implications are very scary.
storms seem to be getting bigger, more devastating, and more frequent all the time.
this is not a joke.
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He's right though. For the past 24 hours we have had non-stop hysterical wall to wall news coverage of this as though its the beginning of the apocalypse. I expected the four horsemen to come riding along Times Square. It's a bad storm I get it. Lots of people are inconvenienced and a few are dead but its not a "major disaster" by any stretch of the imagination.

I have been to two places that were "major disasters. The first was in a beautiful little town called Bam in Iran. 6 months after I visited it it was literally wiped off the map by a massive earthquake that killed 26.000 people and reduced the town to ruins. The second was in a place called Bhuj in India, also destroyed by a massive earthquake which cost the lives of 20.000 people. They were disasters. This is not a "major disaster at all. Its an expensive inconvenience that means people will have to take a cab instead of the subway for a week. Get some perspective people
 
Miss Caphat said:
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Oh, wait.
 
If it's your home and infrastructure that's affected then it's pretty obvious why someone would be upset or anxious about it. If it's not your home or infrastructure and you're removed from it, then likewise it's obvious why you'd look at that, and then look at something on a scale far, far bigger somewhere else, and notice the disproportionate response in the news media. Neither view is wrong. Both are understandable. The latter people could perhaps do with exercising a touch more empathy though, and consider my first point and what their own reaction might be in a similar situation.
 
still no sign of that great british media cliche, a flooded area where some cunt is paddling a canoe.


come on ameica, sort it out
 
dylans said:
He's right though. For the past 24 hours we have had non-stop hysterical wall to wall news coverage of this as though its the beginning of the apocalypse. I expected the four horsemen to come riding along Times Square. It's a bad storm I get it. Lots of people are inconvenienced and a few are dead but its not a "major disaster" by any stretch of the imagination.

I have been to two places that were "major disasters. The first was in a beautiful little town called Bam in Iran. 6 months after I visited it it was literally wiped off the map by a massive earthquake that killed 26.000 people and reduced the town to ruins. The second was in a place called Bhuj in India, also destroyed by a massive earthquake which cost the lives of 20.000 people. They were disasters. This is not a "major disaster at all. Its an expensive inconvenience that means people will have to take a cab instead of the subway for a week. Get some perspective people
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no, he's not right.
neither are you.
Just because there have been worse tragedies in the world, doesn't mean it's not a devastating event for other reasons.
I am seriously concerned about the fact that a storm this big was able to form and do so much damage to such a huge portion of the world. It's frankly terrifying.

Also, I think you'd feel a bit differently seeing your neighbors & friends homes underwater, as I am.
 
and another thing.
That attitude is just so fucking rude & condescending.
Its as if you broke your leg and someone said "pfft, thousands of people DIED last week"
or your grandmother died, and someone were to say "stop crying, a whole village in Yugoslavia burned to the ground yesterday"
or your house burned down and someone said "at least you don't have terminal cancer"
 
dylans said:
He's right though. For the past 24 hours we have had non-stop hysterical wall to wall news coverage of this as though its the beginning of the apocalypse. I expected the four horsemen to come riding along Times Square. It's a bad storm I get it. Lots of people are inconvenienced and a few are dead but its not a "major disaster" by any stretch of the imagination.

I have been to two places that were "major disasters. The first was in a beautiful little town called Bam in Iran. 6 months after I visited it it was literally wiped off the map by a massive earthquake that killed 26.000 people and reduced the town to ruins. The second was in a place called Bhuj in India, also destroyed by a massive earthquake which cost the lives of 20.000 people. They were disasters. This is not a "major disaster at all. Its an expensive inconvenience that means people will have to take a cab instead of the subway for a week. Get some perspective people
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For the posters who are there it is going to be of concern to them how they and their loved ones are going to be affected because they are there, their lives are there. For them and for the non resident posters on this thread I don't think there has been a lack of perspective. No one has claimed this is worse than a death toll in the thousands in other parts of the world, but posters have a connection to this. You've been in Bam and Bhuj. Several posters have been in NY. I have several friends there. I feel more of a connection than I do to other places. Christchurch wouldn't be any more on my register than Bam except a friend moved there a few days before. Again I don't think they've been getting hysterical about it, more interested and midly concerned. It's an interesting weather event which, because the US has so many webcams and media feeds, we have been able to watch as it unfolds. This wasn't the case in Haiti.

Yes, it's shit that more attention is paid to US news than to other news, but even if you take away all the evil capitalist reasons for this it still remains that many British people have far more familiarity and connection with people in the US than many other parts of the world.
 
Miss Caphat said:
and another thing.
That attitude is just so fucking rude & condescending.
Its as if you broke your leg and someone said "pfft, thousands of people DIED last week"
or your grandmother died, and someone were to say "stop crying, a whole village in Yugoslavia burned to the ground yesterday"
or your house burned down and someone said "at least you don't have terminal cancer"
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The comparison is false. The comparison is as if my grandma died and I demanded her death receive more worldwide coverage than the village because she was rich.

Look, I am not questioning your personal reasons for seeing the importance of this event. Anyone directly affected by a disaster is bound to prioritise it. I am questioning the priorities of the news media here which has been nothing short of hysterical. Sky and BBC have run virtually nothing else for 24 hours and have presented the storm both before, during and after it hit as the end of the world.
 
Need to draw distinction between responce of media, esp UK media, and those caught up in it.

Media coverage on a fukashima level is ridiculous.

Concern or even mild hysteria frankly, from those actually caught up is understandable.

And John Inverdale wishing those caught up the "best if British", needs to be ridiculed.
 
I am ok, therefore as an important person there is no reason to worry. Disregard all news reports, as it's obvious that you ware not applying a critical filter to the media representation of this incident.

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where to said:
Need to draw distinction between responce of media, esp UK media, and those caught up in it.

Media coverage on a fukashima level is ridiculous.

Concern or even mild hysteria frankly, from those actually caught up is understandable.

And John Inverdale wishing those caught up the "best if British", needs to be ridiculed.
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Eh?
 
dylans said:
He's right though. For the past 24 hours we have had non-stop hysterical wall to wall news coverage of this as though its the beginning of the apocalypse. I expected the four horsemen to come riding along Times Square. It's a bad storm I get it. Lots of people are inconvenienced and a few are dead but its not a "major disaster" by any stretch of the imagination.

I have been to two places that were "major disasters. The first was in a beautiful little town called Bam in Iran. 6 months after I visited it it was literally wiped off the map by a massive earthquake that killed 26.000 people and reduced the town to ruins. The second was in a place called Bhuj in India, also destroyed by a massive earthquake which cost the lives of 20.000 people. They were disasters. This is not a "major disaster at all. Its an expensive inconvenience that means people will have to take a cab instead of the subway for a week. Get some perspective people
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What a pile of shit.

The deaths of 38+ people is not an ''expensive inconvenience''.

Some very strange ''my hurricane is bigger than your hurricane'' willy waving madness.
 
I'm also very uncomfortable with the BBC reporter calling what has happened "total devastation" every time I've heard that report today it's made me pretty angry, not because of how folk in the US are reacting cos to them it might feel like total devastation but how it's being reported over here.

To report what has happened as total devastation does detract from truely totally devastating events such as the earthquake in Bam.
 
dylans said:
...Sky and BBC have run virtually nothing else for 24 hours and have presented the storm both before, during and after it hit as the end of the world.
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I think the bottom line is simply quantity over quality. A news editor may struggle to find photographs and good footage from Haiti, or less media advanced cities suffering natural disasters. Everybody and everything is wired up in the US. Everybody knows where NY is. It is a very famous city. For every single image from Haiti there are likely to be over a Million from the US. It isn't surprising why news from other places gets drowned out.

e2a; It is also the job of contemporary media folk to big up and sensationalise their story apparently.
 
Kidda said:
What a pile of shit.

The deaths of 38+ people is not an ''expensive inconvenience''.

Some very strange ''my hurricane is bigger than your hurricane'' willy waving madness.
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38 people? There are 42 THOUSAND deaths annually on US roads. If anything this hurricane probably saved lives by keeping people off the roads. Get some perspective ffs. A bit of rain, a few fallen trees and a power cut does not the apocalypse make, even if it hits in the USA.
 
dylans said:
38 people? There are 42 THOUSAND deaths annually on US roads. If anything this hurricane probably saved lives by keeping people off the roads. Get some perspective ffs. A bit of rain, a few fallen trees and a power cut does not the apocalypse make, even if it hits in the USA.
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I never suggested it did.

I just don't understand this very strange act of having to stamp your feet because somewhere more people died on another day than on this one.

what happened in Bam was really awful, what happened today was awful, comparing like for like is not helpful.
 
dylans said:
...does not the apocalypse make, even if it hits in the USA.
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Makes good, cheap news stories though.

I am sick to death of seeing pages and pages of shit about US election campaigns in the European press. It is the US media machine trying to maintain a belief that they are the most important power in the World still. Whatever happens ih The States will apprently affect everyone. The hype around this storm is no different. Anything keeping the US on the front pages and TV screens will do. No news is bad news.
 
Kidda said:
I never suggested it did.

I just don't understand this very strange act of having to stamp your feet because somewhere more people died on another day than on this one.

what happened in Bam was really awful, what happened today was awful, comparing like for like is not helpful.
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What I am questioning is the priorities of a news service that sees events in the USA as worthy of hysterical 24 hour coverage akin to an asteroid strike whilst totally ignoring events of much greater tragedy when they occur outside the US.

Of course this is newsworthy and of course it is tragic to those involved. It is the extent and the manner of the coverage that I am questioning.
 
Stanley Edwards said:
Makes good, cheap news stories though.

I am sick to death of seeing pages and pages of shit about US election campaigns in the European press. It is the US media machine trying to maintain a belief that they are the most important power in the World still. Whatever happens ih The States will apprently affect everyone. The hype around this storm is no different. Anything keeping the US on the front pages and TV screens will do. No news is bad news.
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Absolutely agree
 
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