SpookyFrank
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A lot of those people will be useless carpetbaggers who won't give a shit.
HS2 high-speed London-Birmingham route rail project - discussion
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A lot of those people will be useless carpetbaggers who won't give a shit.
teuchter
je suis teuchter
Oh well it's all fine then.
T & P
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Does anyone know whether the contract to build the trainsets has already been awarded? Since the project was first announced, the top speed has always been quoted to be 250 mph (402 kph in real money), which is insanely fast and far more costly to build for and run than high speed trains running at 300 or even 330 kph.The latest generation trainsets build by the European manufacturers have a maximum operating speed of 350 kph, but you will hardly see any country running them faster than 330, and mostly not over 300, for good practical reasons.
It seems a waste of money to go ahead with commissioning trains capable of 250 mph if they are only ever going to travel at that speed to Birmingham. Just get some off-the-shelf 300 kph trains from Siemens or Talgo or whoever.
It seems a waste of money to go ahead with commissioning trains capable of 250 mph if they are only ever going to travel at that speed to Birmingham. Just get some off-the-shelf 300 kph trains from Siemens or Talgo or whoever.
Artaxerxes
Look out, he's got a gnu!
HS2: announced transport projects were just ‘examples’, says minister | HS2 | The Guardian
Documents detailing projects to be funded with savings from scrapping HS2 deleted from government website
platinumsage
HaveMyPassword123
I read they will only be able to travel at top speed for ten minutes on the London to Birmingham section as they can't do it in the NIMBY tunnels 
Elpenor
a clown’s heart and a mandolin
Fastest speed on a TGV last month - this was only reached for a short while, we did a London to Manchester equivalent distance in approx 1:35 with 2 stops
teuchter
je suis teuchter
I read that this is not in fact true.I read they will only be able to travel at top speed for ten minutes on the London to Birmingham section as they can't do it in the NIMBY tunnels
teuchter
je suis teuchter
Where have you got the 400kph number from? It's about 350kph. And I think it's normal to have the trains specced for a bit higher than they will generally run in service.
T & P
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Admittedly from the press & news reports rather than any official HS2 website or official publication, but the 250 mph speed has been extensively quoted over the years.
T & P
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I’ve just googled HS2 250 mph and other than Wiki, most of the search results by multiple media outlets all quoted a maximum speed of 250 mph
It seems more likely than not that the 250 mph figure must have originated from a government source, rather than anyone unconnected with the project making it up and most media outlets adopting it as gospel.
hs2 250 mph - Google Search
www.google.com
It seems more likely than not that the 250 mph figure must have originated from a government source, rather than anyone unconnected with the project making it up and most media outlets adopting it as gospel.
teuchter
je suis teuchter
FactCheck Q&A: How does HS2 compare to other bullet trains?
HS2 has come under repeated criticism for bad planning and wasting money. Even the Department for Transport's own former Chief Scientific Adviser, Professor Roderick Smith has called for a "root-and-branch review" of the whole project. So what's really going on? And how does the project compare...
www.channel4.com
Looks like a mixture of bad journalism (no doubt with things like the top speed exaggerated by those with an agenda to push) and bad fact checking by people posting things on discussion forums and the like.
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platinumsage
HaveMyPassword123
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Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
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Dogsauce
I’ve got Skol but I’m not a Scholar
The badly put together list was just something to make the media report that money ‘saved’ was going elsewhere and avoid overly negative headlines about the cancellation. Retracting these promises won’t make the same kind of headlines and most people won’t be aware of this. Classic political expectations management. It’s worked for them.
MickiQ
In My Defence I was left Unsupervised
The list included extending the Manchester Metro to Manchester Airport (opened in 2014) and extending the Nottingham NET Tram system to Clifton South (opened in 2015). Actually ridden on the second and it seemed rather real to me.
When someone pulled them up the first fact the answer was well it will be extended to Terminal 2. The current tram stop is 400 metres from T2 and it is linked to it via a covered walkway with travelators so it's probably not the best use of public money to lay another quarter mile of track and build another station.
When someone pulled them up the first fact the answer was well it will be extended to Terminal 2. The current tram stop is 400 metres from T2 and it is linked to it via a covered walkway with travelators so it's probably not the best use of public money to lay another quarter mile of track and build another station.
Brainaddict
slight system overdrive
Has anyone posted this? HS2: Where did it all go wrong?
Includes comments on environmentalists who oppose railway lines on the grounds that they require trees to be cut down.
Includes comments on environmentalists who oppose railway lines on the grounds that they require trees to be cut down.
Crispy
The following psytrance is baṉned: All
Euston could more easily be expanded. St.P is boxed in by Kings X and the British Library/Francis Crick Centre.Never understood why it was supposed to go to Euston and not St P considering there appears to be a line between the 2 already.
Also, St.P is all above ground or raised. HS2 was always going to arrive by tunnel. The groundunder St.P already has the Thameslink tunnels in the way.
Lastly, Euston is already the terminus of the West Coast line so it makes sense to have the slow & fast trains to similar destinations from the same place.
WouldBe
Dislicksick
Just thought if St P was used you could have through trains from the north to the continent.
Elpenor
a clown’s heart and a mandolin
Probably not a practical or cost effective plan due to there needing to be immigration checks at every boarding point which means additional staffing etc - unlikely see why Ebbsfleet and Ashford have no Eurostar services currently or plans to reintroduce as the throughput isn’t great so costs too much
teuchter
je suis teuchter
A connection between HS1 and HS2 was considered at one point but it was decided it was too expensive.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
You just want to see all of Camden and North London more widely in ruins
WouldBe
Dislicksick
You could just do them when the train gets to St P.
WouldBe
Dislicksick
Just didn't realise how much room would be needed.
teuchter
je suis teuchter
Everyone would have to get off the train and back on again (as used to happen at Lille for some of the beyond-Paris services).
Only actually necessary because the UK government decides it is though. Plenty of other border crossings where passports are checked on the train while in motion, and plenty of other long rail tunnels where there's not a requirement to scan all luggage.
WouldBe
Dislicksick
As those checks can be done on the train, as they do in other places, there would be no need to get off the train to do it.
teuchter
je suis teuchter
See the second of my two paragraphs which you quoted.
WouldBe
Dislicksick
So no need to get off at St P and back on again.
teuchter
je suis teuchter
If the UK government decided to change its approach to passport control and the approach to security in the tunnel were also changed, then, no there would be non need to get off and on again at St P. However, there is no indication that these things are likely to change.
WouldBe
Dislicksick
That's what happens when you put a bunch of idiots in charge of major projects.
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