Southlondon
The river's there for a reason
As a council tennant I’m very glad she’s my MP.
How are we going to get rid of Kate Hoey
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butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Blimey. And just thrown out there like that as if it's nothing.
cuppa tee
Well-Known Member
I'm a northerner living in London and the idea that we are a bit dodge is fairly common among some groupings in the community.
BusLanes
Pedestrian
Oh I do expect your experiences would differ.
Anyway, my experience of the campaign was that Corbyn's non brexit policies (£10 nmw etc) actually swung support back to Labour mid campaign, then the OM's ineptness with her policies locked that in.
happyshopper
Well-Known Member
I respect what Southlondon heard on the doorstep. But the Labour vote in Vauxhall in 2017 was actually a bit anemic, compared to elsewhere in Inner London. And tenanted estates, where South London found support, are no longer so dominant in the constituency as they once were.
Winot
I wholeheartedley agree with your viewpoint
You've missed my point. Southlondon referenced the fact that she represented the 1 in 3 Labour voters that voted leave. There are more of them in northern constituencies, aren't there? So the only point I was making is that the dissonance between her views on Brexit and those of the voters of Vauxhall wouldn't be as much of a problem if she had a northern seat.
ash
Inittogether
Like Belfast maybe
Southlondon
The river's there for a reason
Agreed, but she has put down strong local roots. on Local issues she is bang on side with the residents. She attends TRA meetings regularly, and on local campaigns like the housing activists fighting the council for their homes, or the successful campaign to save our main post office when it was threatened with closure, or using her sports contacts to secure us an amazing sports hub in the middle of 2 of our largest estates etc, she is very much connected with her constituents. If MPs shuffled around to ensure they are in line with the constituents on every national issue would mean losing the local knowledge built up over decades.
Southlondon
The river's there for a reason
ash
Inittogether
Jut trying to lighten the mood a little in these times of humour austerity
it's almost as if there's more to a politician than their position on brexit. fancy.
RoyReed
Must fly!
She was the chair of the hunting/shooting/fishing Countryside Alliance for 10 years (with a very nice salary), Stonewall labelled her the least gay-friendly Labour MP and she was in favour of Paris rather than London getting the 2012 Olympic Games.
Great credentials for an inner city MP.
Great credentials for an inner city MP.
mauvais
on reddit or something
Or Rockall.
Gramsci
Well-Known Member
Kate Hoey is no left wing Lexiter.
Her views on Britishness are no different from the UKIP and the DUP.
As Irish friend of mine from Northern Ireland said to me her politics aren't that different. Its her background.
Gramsci
Well-Known Member
You are on Brixton forum.
Lambeth , like all inner London boroughs , was large majority for Remain.
And yes a quite a number of people I know think that. And they aren't all middle class Guardian readers.
Friend of mine in London originally from up North told me she can't talk to her relatives in Yorkshire about Brexit. Her exact words "its a bit racist up North".
She isn't the only one I've heard this from.
Gramsci
Well-Known Member
Caroline Flint MP , who was a Remainer, in a leave constituency has accepted the leave vote. Now supports leave. She listened to her voters.
Kate Hoey has not at any point softened her views.
To criticize her for being leaver is missing that fact that she is the right wing of the leaving side.
ash
Inittogether
Apart from the fact this is the most important political pivot (for all of these Islands) in any of our living memories and for long to come!
redsquirrel
This Machine Kills Progressives
Not for me and not for millions of others. Which is why Labour did better at the last election than most expected.
The fact that she's from up here originally doesn't make it any less daft a statement. It's this type of patronising nonsense that helped Leave win.
Gramsci
Well-Known Member
You aren't from Brixton. Your posting on Brixton Forum. I live here I know my patch.
Chuka did well at last election. And he always was Remainer. In his constituency most people are Remainers.
Central Brixton is gentrified but outside that are still large Council estates. My Council Ward , which includes central Brixton, is classified as deprived. Outside the new "vibrant" central Brixton people aren't that well off.
Areas of inner city London have communities that have been "left behind". Just as much as communities up North I keep hearing about in media. But I don't hear much about the left behind communities in central London.
The idea that London is full of Guardian reading cosmopolitans is more than annoying.
The residents in my area , Loughborough Junction , are left behind community.
See this recent report of mine on public meeting after recent murder.
Report from the public meeting on community safety in the Loughborough Junction area, Thurs 21st Mar 2019
One of the worst things about the EU referendum was that a major element of it was people using it to give the establishment a good kicking. This had nothing to do with being in the EU.
Feeling not listened to etc as shown in my report above didnt mean that people in my area supported Brexit.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
How did Hoey do in the GE?
Gramsci
Well-Known Member
Kate Hoey
Vauxhall parliamentary constituency - Election 2017
As a comparison Chuka:
Streatham parliamentary constituency - Election 2017
Bigger increase for Chuka.
Kate got 3.6% increase. LDs got 13.7% increase in her constituency. Which I put down to her Brexit views losing her bigger vote which Chuka got.
Chuka got 15.5% increase. All other parties lost votes in his constituency.
Vauxhall parliamentary constituency - Election 2017
As a comparison Chuka:
Streatham parliamentary constituency - Election 2017
Bigger increase for Chuka.
Kate got 3.6% increase. LDs got 13.7% increase in her constituency. Which I put down to her Brexit views losing her bigger vote which Chuka got.
Chuka got 15.5% increase. All other parties lost votes in his constituency.
oryx
Sitting on the bok of the day
I usually really like your posts and views Gramsci but I have to challenge you on this one.
I'm sort of in the same boat as your mate (Northerner in London) but I know loads of people in the North including Yorkshire who voted remain and vice versa (London people who voted Leave). IIRC Manchester, Liverpool and certainly my hometown of York voted Remain.
I don't think that making it so binary really helps. What your mate has said is as divisive as people up North going on about the London metropolitan bubble as if just by living here we all voted Remain to keep up the supply of prosecco and Brie. And people in London etc. portraying people further north than Potters Bar as uneducated racists...it's for these reasons that the country is becoming horribly divided and some of that attitude is some of the reason why people voted Leave.
As for 'it's a bit racist up North'... well I don't even know where to begin.
redsquirrel
This Machine Kills Progressives
What oryx said
"Left behind"* communities can be found all over the UK.
People from all over the UK voted for Leave, even in London you had a Leave vote of 40%. And they voted Leave for all kinds of reasons.
There are strong majorities in this country for more restrictive immigration policies (and the size of those majorities indicates that they must include significant numbers of Remain voters). There are also strong majorities that are appalled by the Windrush scandal (and again the size means there must be Leave voters in this majority), even though it was the former that led to the latter.
The catagorisation of people that have voted Leave, who are concerned about the impact of immigration, who have voted UKIP as racists has only benefitted the hard-right. A small minority of people are ideological racists, the rest of us, whether we voted leave, remain or abstained, cannot and should not be categorised as racist or not racist.
*hate that phrase, these communities weren't left behind they were systematically attacked.
Yes it is, like the dismissal of millions of people living in the north as racists is much more than annoying.
"Left behind"* communities can be found all over the UK.
People from all over the UK voted for Leave, even in London you had a Leave vote of 40%. And they voted Leave for all kinds of reasons.
There are strong majorities in this country for more restrictive immigration policies (and the size of those majorities indicates that they must include significant numbers of Remain voters). There are also strong majorities that are appalled by the Windrush scandal (and again the size means there must be Leave voters in this majority), even though it was the former that led to the latter.
The catagorisation of people that have voted Leave, who are concerned about the impact of immigration, who have voted UKIP as racists has only benefitted the hard-right. A small minority of people are ideological racists, the rest of us, whether we voted leave, remain or abstained, cannot and should not be categorised as racist or not racist.
*hate that phrase, these communities weren't left behind they were systematically attacked.
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CH1
"Red Guard"(NLYL)
Surely this is what our Prime Minister has been banging the drum for these last three years - despite her own failure to implement a fair immigration policy as Home Secretary (hostile environment/Windrush generation etc etc). In her view the priority of the "British People" (as expressed in the EU referendum) was to control EU immigration.
About the only non-racist policy under May 1 was the reduction of stop and search, which now has been reversed due to the increase in stabbings of young people.
