How are we going to get rid of Kate Hoey
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Gramsci
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I've mixed feelings on this.
On Brexit Hoey has same views as the DUP.
She is not representing here constituents on Brexit.
So she should face re selection imo. If she thinks she is right she can explain that and try to win re selection.
JimW
支那暗杀团
Not really sort of comment to make about a woman in politics Roy. Plenty of better ways to slag her off.
CH1
"Red Guard"(NLYL)
How is a vote of no confidence related to deselection?
Just asking.
Southlondon
The river's there for a reason
All it means is the mood of the meeting was that they want her to go. Remember the local party has over 2000 members, but the activists are a fraction of that. There are many older members who remember how she stood by them and sacrificed her ministerial career to oppose Iraq, or housing activists who remember how she stood by them against the council and a sizeable number who like myself support Brexit. The activists tried to get rid of her before using the trigger procedure, each individual branch voted and at each meeting the sitting councillors spoke up against her and yet she won by a near unanimous verdict. She has immense personal support in the local party for many of whom Brexit is not as important an issue as it is for the activists. So I do not think triggering her is likely to be much more successful for the activists than last time. As for withdrawing the whip and the party dismissing her, I don’t believe that is likely to happen. Kate like the late bob crow and Tony benn, has always been very clear where she stands on the EU. She voted against the benefit cuts that hurt so many unlike many of those calling for her Deselection, the criminalisation of commercial squatting , and has stood shoulder to shoulder with her constituents against the council and local party on numerous occasions. Chat to people on our estates and you’ll find Brexit is not number one issue for many, and that kate is respected as an accessible MP. 1/3 of Labour voters and 2/3 of our constituencies voted for Brexit at least allow us a handful of MPs to represent our wishes
Southlondon
The river's there for a reason
Southlondon
The river's there for a reason
You won’t get a photo like that from some chukka umana/Steve Reed type slimy careerist MP so be careful what you all wish for. You know the make up of the council, why would a labour replacement MP be anything other than another recruit to snipe at Corbyn. There will be a general election soon, and as per labours manifesto we will be out of the EU, and Then who do you want ? Progress or kate?
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
Risky business for a party that nationally relies on over 150 seats that voted for Brexit.
Gramsci
Well-Known Member
Highlighted what your post is really about. Your support for Brexit.
Hoey support for Brexit wasn't left wing. I have heard her on radio going on about immigration. That when she represents a London constituency.
I live in Loughborough Junction and am a Council tenant. I can tell you my neighbours opposed Brexit. I do a working class job in London. All my workmates oppose Brexit. And it is an issue for them. I can't see how you can say for ordinary working people it is not.
So from my experience of spending ninety percent of my time with working class people my view is that in London Brexit wasn't popular.
To get overwhelming popularity you have to go outside London like my home town Plymouth. In the blue collar bit I grew up in they all voted Brexit. Reasons . More money for NHS and immigration. I know this as I still go back there to visit brother. From what I have seen in P!youth immigration was major factor in how people voted.
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Gramsci
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Before anyone jumps to conclusion that its the Progress right of the party who aren't happy with Hoey here is Vauxhall Momentum view.
Vauxhall Labour prepares to deselect Kate Hoey | LabourList
Vauxhall Labour prepares to deselect Kate Hoey | LabourList
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
In all fairness since when has a debate on immigration been a no go area for people who live in London?
Gramsci
Well-Known Member
I'm not sure what you are getting at.
My experience of working class Londoners I work with is that immigration is not an issue now for majority of them.
I agree debate on immigration is not a no go area. See the outrage I've heard in Brixton over treatment of Windrush generation from Black British people I know.
If that is what you mean by immigration not being a no go area.
Its also been a no go area for Black British people , in an other sense,I know who were born here , my age. When they grew up in Brixton certain area of London were no go areas for them. Things have changed for the better since 70s in London.
Things have been changing in London. Especially amongst younger generation.
Outside London no. From my experience of Plymouth.
And I have heard Hoey banging on about immigration in little Englander way. Its really pissed me off her.
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Southlondon
The river's there for a reason
Well on my council estate in Vauxhall where I’m a tenant, I have plenty of neighbours who support Brexit, although obviously I accept the majority of people in Vauxhall voted remain- just remember the majority of people over all voted leave, including 1in 3 labour voters, and I promise you they weren’t middle class in the main.
As for immigration, wheni canvass for kate on our estates, you meet meet plenty of voters from Afro Caribbean countries that she has helped with immigration issues. Implying she’s a racist is stupid. It is one of the main issues making up her caseload. Brexit is and always should have been seen as a cross party issue, then perhaps we would have had some serious debate, from both sides, but the people spoke with the biggest mandate ever in this country. The Labour Party manifesto clearly states we would honour the referendum and would leave the EU and when I listen to the chattering guardian classes dismissing the views of the majority I’m even more convinced the result of the referendum must be honoured. Kate is one of a tiny group of Labour MPs that represent the wishes of 1/3 of our voters and I’m glad she’s survived every attempt from our right wing local party to dislodged her in the past.
The use of the word slag might be regarded as a bit contentious too I think?
JimW
支那暗杀团
Why? Different etymology.
Don’t think so, all negative connotations surely.
JimW
支那暗杀团
Negative but not sexist, think it al starts from some old German word for hitting/striking. The meaning of insulting someone derived independently of the perjorative about sexual promiscuousness. And in either case the basic point about thinking of more creative ways to insult women in politics than crude sexual metaphors should be plain without any nit-picking semantics. Or are you fine with the cock-sucking bit?
No, not at all fine with the cock sucking bit.
I have thought it strange for a long time that homophobic or racist insults are quite rightly not tolerated on urban but misogynistic ones are basically ignored.
Gramsci
Well-Known Member
Can you not use this thread as yet another way to have a dig at "urban"?
Gramsci
Well-Known Member
Ive posted up Momentum view. Its not just the right wing.
It was a narrow vote to leave.
London working class were not Brexit from my experience. But then I include recent immigrants in my definition of London working class. But under your little Englander definition a lot of these people did not have a say.
My personal experience of working class outside London is that they support Brexit as they oppose immigration. Particularly recent immigration from EU.
This stuff about chattering classes is rubbish. Kate is regularly on radio. She is as much part of chattering classes as any one else.
This is Brixton Forum. The majority in my area , which is hardly middle class chattering classes , oppose Brexit.
Gramsci
Well-Known Member
I've posted up to say this is not the case.
This view is right wing. It is what I hear from Tory Brexit supporters.
editor
hiraethified
But they're not fucking ignored, are they? The poster was rightly pulled up on it. But as has been explained endlessly, the mods don't read every single post (up to 2.5k a day) so can't be blamed for any disagreeable posts unless they are reported. Which this was not.
Gramsci
Well-Known Member
Did your neighbours say why?
Yes majority voted Remain.
So I think Hoey should think about moving somewhere to be MP where people shared her views.
My home town Plymouth for example.
I was not talking about that particular instance.
But another place, another time.
It’s really not relevant to this thread.
As you were...
Gramsci
Well-Known Member
Ive asked politely above.
I'll repeat as you still are doing it
Can you not use this thread as yet another way to have a dig at "urban"?
Gramsci
Well-Known Member
Update from Tricky Skills
Local Labour party passes Motion calling for Kate Hoey to be de-selected as the MP for Vauxhall
A thorough summary of issues.
Local Labour party passes Motion calling for Kate Hoey to be de-selected as the MP for Vauxhall
A thorough summary of issues.
