How are we going to get rid of Kate Hoey

[Reiabuzz]

There's so many issues you could call her out on, anti-refugee, pro gun, anti corporate tax rise, brexit, so why not fox hunting.. I really do think Turners campaign should have gone for the neck on all these issues but in typical lib dem style were far too soft.

They asked all their activists to move over to Kingston about 5pm today where it's also a tight race so I'm reading that as their own exit polls suggesting it was a lost cause. Oh well.

 

[Ms T]

She's increased her majority.

 

[CH1]

She's increased her majority.

Yes - weird. The Tory candidate was apparently a vocal Remainer at the hustings - wonder what her leaflets said.

 

[Southlondon]

Yes - weird. The Tory candidate was apparently a vocal Remainer at the hustings - wonder what her leaflets said.

The libdems thought brexit was a big issue in the estates where her core vote lies - it wasn't. I canvassedhard for her, and it was the local stuff that came up most. She has enormous personal support amongst the working class constituents, because whenever someone needs her support she is there for them. She has fought the Lambeth council on estate transfers and estate demolition, she stood up for the housing coop people when they faced eviction, even joining them to stop bailiffs evicting. She always attended estate tennant association meetings and acted on their behalf when they faced attacks, she helped hundreds of residents with immigration and residency issues, and has got Vauxhall some of the best sports facilities on any estates in London ( the sports hub in the Ethelred estate is totally down to her).
She is not seen as a ukip person by anyone except the libdems and new labour. As I said brexit was not an issue with the vast majority of residents as proved in the voting

 

[Winot]

Interesting - thanks. I think the Revenger of the Remainers narrative is overplayed - if it really was true then the LDs would have done better.

 

[lefteri]

The libdems thought brexit was a big issue in the estates where her core vote lies - it wasn't. I canvassedhard for her, and it was the local stuff that came up most. She has enormous personal support amongst the working class constituents, because whenever someone needs her support she is there for them. She has fought the Lambeth council on estate transfers and estate demolition, she stood up for the housing coop people when they faced eviction, even joining them to stop bailiffs evicting. She always attended estate tennant association meetings and acted on their behalf when they faced attacks, she helped hundreds of residents with immigration and residency issues, and has got Vauxhall some of the best sports facilities on any estates in London ( the sports hub in the Ethelred estate is totally down to her).
She is not seen as a ukip person by anyone except the libdems and new labour. As I said brexit was not an issue with the vast majority of residents as proved in the voting

I've seen her in my estate's tenants' meeting be scathing towards Lambeth councillors who were acting against the tenants' interests - for that reason alone I'm glad she's held her seat

 

[CH1]

Interesting - thanks. I think the Revenger of the Remainers narrative is overplayed - if it really was true then the LDs would have done better.

Evidently so. I know a couple of Hoey's constituents who were convinced she would be out - for Brexit related reasons. On the other hand a old friend of mine who was a Lib Dem councillor in times gone by told me he would be highly surprised if she lost.

George Turner was certainly an interesting local character who'd do a lot on planning issues - but evidently was part of the Metropolitan elite as far as the estates were concerned.

I still find it odd that the electorate find Labour electable in Lambeth and Southwark given their library cuts and estate regeneration schemes - especially the latter which seem to me to spill over into municipal corruption far in excess of T Dan Smith and J Poulson (look them up).

 

[Gramsci]

The libdems thought brexit was a big issue in the estates where her core vote lies - it wasn't. I canvassedhard for her, and it was the local stuff that came up most. She has enormous personal support amongst the working class constituents, because whenever someone needs her support she is there for them. She has fought the Lambeth council on estate transfers and estate demolition, she stood up for the housing coop people when they faced eviction, even joining them to stop bailiffs evicting. She always attended estate tennant association meetings and acted on their behalf when they faced attacks, she helped hundreds of residents with immigration and residency issues, and has got Vauxhall some of the best sports facilities on any estates in London ( the sports hub in the Ethelred estate is totally down to her).
She is not seen as a ukip person by anyone except the libdems and new labour. As I said brexit was not an issue with the vast majority of residents as proved in the voting

That's all well and good. I have had people I know who have been helped by her personally. I seen her take on bailiffs trying to evict a short life tenant.

However seeing her as a UKIP person is not just new Labour or LDs. I have heard her views on immigration and EU. They are offensive. My partner is Spanish and does a working class job. Kate Hoey views on EU and immigration are offensive. They deserve criticism.My Spanish partner and my Polish friends no longer feel welcome here due to the way she and her UKIP chum argued for Brexit. She has a lot to answer for. Btw my EU friends do working class jobs.

Also Chukka got an increased vote. I think a lot of vote was people on estates like a Corbyn left Labour party. He had a good campaign.

 

[Gramsci]

I have a friend from Northern Ireland who says she is typical Prod.

Here she is on Britishness. It's reactionary.

Even more strikingly, Hoey blames her party’s “extremely unpatriotic” outlook for its increasing alienation from its traditional working class supporters. “They feel very strongly about their country and we have been extremely unpatriotic as a party to our country. There’s just a feeling that we’re half-hearted about being British, we’re half-hearted about the monarchy, we’re half-hearted about the way we see our country in the world. I’m very proud of being British and I think the United Kingdom is a force for good in the world and we seem to feel all the time that we have to put ourselves down because somehow that might upset people”.

Kate Hoey: Labour has become an “extremely unpatriotic” party

 

[ViolentPanda]

I've seen her in my estate's tenants' meeting be scathing towards Lambeth councillors who were acting against the tenants' interests - for that reason alone I'm glad she's held her seat

She's always been prepared to hold the one-party state of Lambeth to account, thank fuck, because neither Umunna or Hayes will.

 

[ViolentPanda]

I still find it odd that the electorate find Labour electable in Lambeth and Southwark given their library cuts and estate regeneration schemes - especially the latter which seem to me to spill over into municipal corruption far in excess of T Dan Smith and J Poulson (look them up).

To be fair, people do tend to differentiate between constituency and ward, and I suspect that next year's local elections will reflect the discontent with the libraries/regen/back-handers farragos.

 

[Ms T]

I have a friend who used to live in her constituency who does not have good things to say about her work as a constituency MP or as a junior minister.

 

[ChrisSouth]

Yes - weird. The Tory candidate was apparently a vocal Remainer at the hustings - wonder what her leaflets said.

They probably said 'I'm a Tory', which would have been enough to swing it

 

[CH1]

They probably said 'I'm a Tory', which would have been enough to swing it

On reflection it seems Brexit was not very relevant in this General Election.

FWIW it seems to me that the election demonstrates that the Labour Party machine on the estates in South London is still in good nick, and Corbyn had a much better grasp of the issues relevant to most voters.

I note that the Greens polled a disappointingly low 2.5% typically - presumably reflecting a low spend on publicity and lack of people.

In Lambeth as a whole the Lib Dems all saved their deposits despite having been wiped out on the council in 2014, whereas the Greens all lost their deposits despite being more fashionable and not tainted with having been in coalition.

In a way I am pleased with the national outcome - I like a bit of instability. There seems every prospect of Mrs May resigning and another election before the year end.

Sorry that Lambeth and Southwark are however condemned to another 4 years of a one party state next year by the look of it. Labour espousing socialist policies at national level and yet being lapdogs to property developers at council level is hardly going to solve anything.

 

[Gramsci]

On reflection it seems Brexit was not very relevant in this General Election.

FWIW it seems to me that the election demonstrates that the Labour Party machine on the estates in South London is still in good nick, and Corbyn had a much better grasp of the issues relevant to most voters.

I note that the Greens polled a disappointingly low 2.5% typically - presumably reflecting a low spend on publicity and lack of people.

In Lambeth as a whole the Lib Dems all saved their deposits despite having been wiped out on the council in 2014, whereas the Greens all lost their deposits despite being more fashionable and not tainted with having been in coalition.

In a way I am pleased with the national outcome - I like a bit of instability. There seems every prospect of Mrs May resigning and another election before the year end.

Sorry that Lambeth and Southwark are however condemned to another 4 years of a one party state next year by the look of it. Labour espousing socialist policies at national level and yet being lapdogs to property developers at council level is hardly going to solve anything.

I think the Greens lost votes as people who used to vote Green went back to Labour. Green Party gained votes from those who could no longer stomach New Labour.

 

[Gramsci]

Sorry that Lambeth and Southwark are however condemned to another 4 years of a one party state next year by the look of it. Labour espousing socialist policies at national level and yet being lapdogs to property developers at council level is hardly going to solve anything.

Yes that's a big problem. In Lambeth the leadership and Cllrs actively tried to undermine Corbyn. I think Corbyn should now try to reign these people in. They are Blairites whose policies undermine the working class.

The Adventure Playground in LJ is an example. Where they have been trying to persuade locals it's in there best interests that it be sold to a developer. With people like me opposing it being portrayed as not "sensible".

 

[ViolentPanda]

Yes that's a big problem. In Lambeth the leadership and Cllrs actively tried to undermine Corbyn. I think Corbyn should now try to reign these people in. They are Blairites whose policies undermine the working class.

The Adventure Playground in LJ is an example. Where they have been trying to persuade locals it's in there best interests that it be sold to a developer. With people like me opposing it being portrayed as not "sensible".

Or, to use their seemingly favourite word, "pragmatic": "We're only being pragmatic, demolishing your estate/selling off your adventure playground/closing the libraries".

Wankers.

 

[Southlondon]

On reflection it seems Brexit was not very relevant in this General Election.

FWIW it seems to me that the election demonstrates that the Labour Party machine on the estates in South London is still in good nick, and Corbyn had a much better grasp of the issues relevant to most voters.

I note that the Greens polled a disappointingly low 2.5% typically - presumably reflecting a low spend on publicity and lack of people.

In Lambeth as a whole the Lib Dems all saved their deposits despite having been wiped out on the council in 2014, whereas the Greens all lost their deposits despite being more fashionable and not tainted with having been in coalition.

In a way I am pleased with the national outcome - I like a bit of instability. There seems every prospect of Mrs May resigning and another election before the year end.

Sorry that Lambeth and Southwark are however condemned to another 4 years of a one party state next year by the look of it. Labour espousing socialist policies at national level and yet being lapdogs to property developers at council level is hardly going to solve anything.

It wasn't the 'well oiled party machine' that got her elected as the majority or our activists were sent to marginal seats where numbers were needed, it was a greatly reduced effort because very early on, once we realised the libdems were going to concentrate on brexit, we realised we had an easy fight. In fact on the day we did not have the numbers to do a knocking up, but despite the fact the libdems made it a national so target and spent 5 x more than labour in the campaign, we were very confident the residents would do our campaigning for us such is her personal standing. On the day we sent even more of activists to battersea and toooting to bulk up their numbers. The fact that hoey had historically supported corbyn from both his selection campaigns and issues such as squatters rights, and opposition to austerity made it relatively easy for us to rally support from across the constituency from beyond our membership. The libdems totally misread the electorate, and despite their claims right up to polling day that they were beck and neck, at no point did we anticipate anything less than a landslide

 

[Gramsci]

Kate won due to Corbyn effect. Helen Hayes and Chuka also increased votes. Chuka who openly opposed the move of the party to the left. This election, despite May trying to make it about Brexit, was fought on issues such as dementia tax.

Kate now feels vindicated on her Brexit stance. Despite fact that many who voted remain must of voted for her. I have real problem with this.

In ES she says:

She added: “The people of Vauxhall have shown, that sad though many of them were that the vote went against them in the referendum when they voted to stay, I believe the people of Vauxhall want to move on”.

"I believe". I don't think average Londoners share her views on immigration and Britishness. She was Brexit from a right wing angle. She can't read moving on from this vote. Imo the whole Brexit issue has not been resolved at all by this election. It's toxic issue still. Im still having to explain to my East European friends that not this country is not necessarily anti immigration. And my Spanish partner. Plus Spanish and Italians I know who work here. London is very multicultural and she doesn't get it. We don't all share Kate's and Farage view of Britishness. I'm dealing with this on a personal level. It's not just political theory for me.

She has now made a concession. Saying she will support EU citizens from other European countries to stay in London. That's a change. She was one of the few Labour MPs not to support Labour amendment that government should gaurentee rights of people from other EU countries to stay. Not use them as bargaining chip.


Brexiteer Kate Hoey says victory shows country has moved on

 

[happyshopper]

... once we realised the libdems were going to concentrate on brexit, we realised we had an easy fight. ... The libdems totally misread the electorate, and despite their claims right up to polling day that they were beck and neck, at no point did we anticipate anything less than a landslide

Labour was always going to win Vauxhall, despite the standard LD hype. But it was far from the walkover suggested here. The LD vote was much higher than in the surrounding constituencies, apart from Bermondsey which was clearly a special case. Everywhere else there was a significant swing from LD to Labour, whereas in Vauxhall there was a swing the other way.

And Hoey didn't support Corbyn for Labour leader; she nominated Andy Burnham for the leadership and Caroline Flint for deputy leader.

 

[donkyboy]

I contacted her over 6 years ago when I was on lambeth's housing list and making no progress with getting a flat. her aides did try to assist by contacting lambeth on my behalf-I later got a call from lambeth giving me more options and advice. It didn't help much but I did appreciate my case being taken up. Shortly after I ended up getting my own one bed flat in Vauxhall. The man who had first refusal didn't show up so I got it. Last week, I got Foxton over and told them some bull that it was own flat. They valued it £375,000. All part of the gentrification of Vauxhall-but anyway I digress. I was very disappointed her majority went up.

 

[Ol Nick]

Obviously if Hoey lost it would be more likely that Labour would lose.

My own feeling is that if Theresa May lost her majority she and we would be in a 1974 situation. There would be a minority Labour government and another election in a few months. That is the best Labour can currently hope for.

You've already declared you are Labour and pro Brexit - why wouldn't you support Kate Hoey?

Meanwhile I believe George Turner is a good bet for people wanting their Remain views taken into account - and concerned about the architectural rape and social cleansing of the Vauxhall area (something Ms Hoey seems very low profile about).

Best u75 prediction!

 

[Gramsci]

I was listening to Kate on radio , Any Questions on Friday the radio version, arguing that the border issue between the north of Ireland and the republic Eire was caused by the republic. Not Brexiters like her. That she was all for open borders between the North and the republic. If I heard it right.

Any Questions was in Northern Ireland last Friday. I had to try to explain to my Spanish partner why the North is always treated as an exception. Why Kate who wants EU citizens here on mainland to have closed border wants Northern Ireland border to be treated differently.

So in her world, she comes from Northern Ireland, it's the republic of Ireland that's causing problems.

I was finding it difficult to explain to my EU partner why in United Kingdom a politician who wants "our" borders back sees the North differently. A politician whose made it clear to EU nationals like my partner that they aren't welcome here.

Why the DUP support Brexit, regard themselves as loyal supporters of UK, but don't want UK laws to apply to them if it offends there religious sensibilities. Like abortion rights.

I as rather tired Friday. It's hard to explain the North to someone not from here. It's quite a good exercise. Its really surreal.

Kate showed her Unionist colours on Friday. It was all pretty unpleasant.

 

[ViolentPanda]

I was listening to Kate on radio , Any Questions on Friday the radio version, arguing that the border issue between the north of Ireland and the republic Eire was caused by the republic. Not Brexiters like her. That she was all for open borders between the North and the republic. If I heard it right.

Any Questions was in Northern Ireland last Friday. I had to try to explain to my Spanish partner why the North is always treated as an exception. Why Kate who wants EU citizens here on mainland to have closed border wants Northern Ireland border to be treated differently.

So in her world, she comes from Northern Ireland, it's the republic of Ireland that's causing problems.

I was finding it difficult to explain to my EU partner why in United Kingdom a politician who wants "our" borders back sees the North differently. A politician whose made it clear to EU nationals like my partner that they aren't welcome here.

Why the DUP support Brexit, regard themselves as loyal supporters of UK, but don't want UK laws to apply to them if it offends there religious sensibilities. Like abortion rights.

I as rather tired Friday. It's hard to explain the North to someone not from here. It's quite a good exercise. Its really surreal.

Kate showed her Unionist colours on Friday. It was all pretty unpleasant.

She's an Ulster Proddie, Ulster exceptionalism is in her blood, even when she has - in the past - claimed to be neutral. Any rational viewer of the situation re: Brexit in the island of Ireland can see that it's an issue of two parts - where Brexit leaves Ulster, and whether the Republic are going to support what Ulster does, or what the EU wants.

 

[happyshopper]

Getting back to the original question, the answer is for you and a lot of your friends to join the Labour Party and work with like-minded other members to use use the existing Party rules to select a different candidate for the next general election. Here’s not the place to set out all the steps that would trigger a full one member one vote selection, but it is possible in theory, although hard in practice.

The alternative, of ejecting her through the ballot box by backing another candidate, has been shown not to work. Labour didn’t do as well in Vauxhall as on most other parts of London, but it still had an easy victory.

The selection process for the next election hasn’t started yet, so there’s time to get involved by joining the Party.

The problem isn’t that there is any discernible pro-Brexit faction within the Vauxhall Party that supports Hoey on that issue. On the contrary, the whole Party is solid remain. It’s that any future selection process is likely to be dominated more by left/right issues within the Party, rather than for/against Brexit. Hoey might survive as being perceived as being more pro-Corbyn than anyone backed by the anti-Corbyn faction that currently runs the constituency Party.

Sorry it’s depressing, but there’s no other way. You’ve just got to pay the subscription and attend some meetings.

 

[RoyReed]

Hoey was one of the three Labour MPs who voted with the government on both amendments to the Brexit Customs Bill (the others were Frank Field and Graham Stringer, and also independent former Labour MP Kelvin Hopkins).

When is the local party going to get rid of her!

 

[redsquirrel]

It was four Labour MPs - you've missed off John Mann.

And how do you suggest that the local party "get rid of her"?

 

[RoyReed]

It was four Labour MPs - you've missed off John Mann.

And how do you suggest that the local party "get rid of her"?

Yes, you're right, don't know how I missed Mann.

Arsenic?

 

[CH1]

Yes, you're right, don't know how I missed Mann.

Particularly as he was Labour Councillor for Town Hall Ward 1986-1990.
He gets mixed reviews on UK Polling Report
Runnymede said in September 2016:
"John Mann is an anachronism, I always think, though a ‘good’ one. He’s one of a handful of the old fashioned patriotic Labour types that are still left. Sound on the EU also.

Labour MPs with this outlook have been vanishing at an accelerating rate since the late 1960s, to be replaced largely by hideous middle-class public sector drones/daleks and a sprinkling of armchair revolutionaries".

I imagine Runnymede (who s/he?) would say similar about Kate Hoey.

 

[happyshopper]

I've explained how you get rid of Hoey before on this thread and can't be bothered to repeat myself. But everyone needs to understand that it's extremely hard for members of the local party to get rid of an incumbent Labour MP. This was made deliberately so by the right wing/centrist currents within Labour.

But there are proposals to increase democracy within the Party going to the forthcoming Conference, which I hope will increase the power of individual members. I'm not in favour of giving more power of the Party nationally over selections. Hoey was originally chosen for a by-election by the Party's National Executive Committee, side-lining the local Party that wanted a wider range of candidates. She has never subsequently had to face a ballot of members due to the bureaucratic barriers that were erected to protect the position of sitting MPs.