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With this you could either claim through Thames Water's insurance, or you could claim through your own policy. Your own insurer would then have to re-claim from Thames Water's insurers. The advantage of claiming through your own is that it would probably be far quicker, and then let them deal with Thames' insurers who are dealing with a much bigger and more complex claim and hence it taking far longer (time in which you can't get back to running your business - or relocating to alternative premises if you can).

With business insurance, you can choose to have material damage cover (includes theft etc), and also business interruption. If you don't have business interruption cover then obviously every minute you are not in business then you are effectively losing cash. It's fairly common for businesses to go down because either they chose not to buy business interruption cover or they have underestimated the length of business interruption they need (12 months might seem like a long time but not if premises need rebuilding, planning permission needs to be sought etc - or if the premises landlord doesn't have buildings cover or drags their heels).

(I don't know whether Thames' insurance would cover business interruption or not and so am not commenting)

It can be a really messy business. Yes, sometimes insurers will try and wriggle out of things, but also, sometimes, businesses simply don't pay enough attention to what cover they are buying - or over the years the business gets bigger but they don't update the policy/inventory and so find themselves underinsured)

None of this is a comment on who should or shouldn't pay for what, just context.
Cheers. I still don't entirely get it but then I find insurance horribly complicated and an very cynical about it. If they are claiming against their own insurance then obviously they were under insured. But normally where there is no fault your issuer would act for you in legal action against the party at fault, no? Maybe they didn't have legal action cover? (Which is very cheap)
 
Yeah the whole crowdfunding of capitalist ventures is a bit odd. That said, I'd happily dig into my pocket for somewhere I owe allegiance to like A&C Continental or LS Mash in their rather extraordinary circumstances, and perhaps this falls into that category. Although as Rushy says, it's all a bit unclear.

I think the only way you can support a business is to give them your trade. Pitching in to a fund to fight Network Rail would be fine, but I am sure A&C Continental wouldn't take cash off someone for no reason. Do Cafe Prov have to pay VAT on the money which they will receive on this? Treat it as any other income?

What happens if everyone clubs in and stumps up their £30k and some other element of the business becomes unmanageable and they close anyway? Upon taking money off people, I guess that they have some form of obligation to them.

What's probably best for Cafe Prov is for it to be sold as a going concern, use that money to become debt free, the staff keep their job and the community keeps the café.
 
Cheers. I still don't entirely get it but then I find insurance horribly complicated and an very cynical about it. If they are claiming against their own insurance then obviously they were under insured. But normally where there is no fault your issuer would act for you in legal action against the party at fault, no? Maybe they didn't have legal action cover? (Which is very cheap)
It *is* horribly complicated. You also have loss adjusters involved, who may not be directly employed by the insurer, loss assessors, and 3rd party contractors who will do emergency and remedial work. All these parties involved, alongside all of the damage inspections, health and safety issues, several different businesses with various different policies and insurers all trying to deal with Thames means it's never going to be quick, easy or perfect.

The legal thing can be an option if you think you have a case, but at the same time I imagine some people simply can’t face the huge amount of time, money, resource and stress that getting legal potentially means (after having had to deal with their business falling about their ears) – and again it's time away from getting back on your feet.

Again, not a comment on this particular case, just context. Too complex for me to speculate, any road.
 
It just riles me that in a case of such clear cut culpability, a business can go under. At the time:

Thames Water said its loss adjusters Cunningham Lindsey were speaking to owners and tenants of all 36 properties affected by the flooding to discuss their claims.

The company has admitted liability and said in a statement: “If our pipe has burst and caused damage then it’s our responsibility to put things right.”
 
Cheers. I still don't entirely get it but then I find insurance horribly complicated and an very cynical about it. If they are claiming against their own insurance then obviously they were under insured. But normally where there is no fault your issuer would act for you in legal action against the party at fault, no? Maybe they didn't have legal action cover? (Which is very cheap)
Their insurer will recover the money from Thames Water, but they can only recover what it was insured for.
 
Their insurer will recover the money from Thames Water, but they can only recover what it was insured for.

Surely they should be able to recover whatever Thames Water is legally liable for? What TW is covered for is between them and their insurers, but I don't see that anyone with a claim against TW should need to have anything to do with TWs insurers at all.
 
Surely they should be able to recover whatever Thames Water is legally liable for? What TW is covered for is between them and their insurers, but I don't see that anyone with a claim against TW should need to have anything to do with TWs insurers at all.
CP can only claim back from their own insurance company what they were insured for. That insurance company then gets the money off TW.

What looks to have happened is that CP have underinsured and TW could go "Well you only insured for x so that's all your getting"...
 
Their insurer will recover the money from Thames Water, but they can only recover what it was insured for.
Really. I'd imagined that the payout was only limited to the insured risk amount if your own insurer was liable for the payment (ie your fault or no one else at fault). If a third party was liable, I'd assumed their limit is the limit of their public liability (or whatever). Presumably they could still have the legal route open to them?

Ah. What Monkeygrinder's Organ said.
 
We were up in The Commercial for Burger Night last night. £9 for burger chips and a pint. Very good and good value too. I like the pub too, it has a nice atmosphere. I must pitch up some afternoon and have many pints there.
 
We were up in The Commercial for Burger Night last night. £9 for burger chips and a pint. Very good and good value too. I like the pub too, it has a nice atmosphere. I must pitch up some afternoon and have many pints there.
I like that pub too. Twice I've had them I wasn't keen on their burgers (dense and overcooked) and the deal is only on pints I would not normally order. But I like it a lot as a place for a drink. Especially when the Gamma Ray is on.

A friend's daughter worked there briefly but all did not go smoothly!
 
I like that pub too. Twice I've had them I wasn't keen on their burgers (dense and overcooked) and the deal is only on pints I would not normally order. But I like it a lot as a place for a drink. Especially when the Gamma Ray is on.

A friend's daughter worked there briefly but all did not go smoothly!
I gave up drinking in there when they made HH stitch and Bitch unwelcome (kept turning sound up and lights down) but that was a while ago. What's it like now? Not bothered about food - tell me about beer, cleanliness and company.

The Gamma Ray? please explain.
 
I like it, nice vibe at weekends. I much prefer it to The Florence. The (small) garden at the back is a sun trap in the afternoons. The men's toilets are a bit rank though. I hope the ladies' is kept better.
 
smell was off putting - mens toilet smelt rank last time I was there too and stank out the bar on the right. Ladies loos in basement usually stank too and always needed lights, locks, soap and paper.
 
I gave up drinking in there when they made HH stitch and Bitch unwelcome (kept turning sound up and lights down) but that was a while ago. What's it like now? Not bothered about food - tell me about beer, cleanliness and company.

The Gamma Ray? please explain.
Just feels like a pub. In the winter I loved the fires and paneling. And in summer I'm loving everyone just sat out front.

Gamma Ray is just another trendy hoppy pint. But very tasty. Seems to be off a lot.
 
Gamma Ray is just another trendy hoppy pint. But very tasty. Seems to be off a lot.

Brewed by Beavertown, originally from De Beauvoir estate in Haggerston but now relocated to Hackney. Brewery is owned by Logan Plant, son of Robert Plant. Beer was absolutely rubbish until about two years ago when they abandoned trying to brew cask and went keg only. Now better and very fashionable.
 
Tottenham now.

I stand corrected. When they were starting out they were brewing out of Duke's Brew and Que on the corner of Downham/Hertford Road. That's are well worth a visit for their barbecue omelet brunch thing, and they do the hottest wings known to man which will strip the skin from any part of you that you're foolish enough to touch. Be advised that they'll put 12.5% on the price of the beer if they bring it to your table, though.
 
Help needed for Herne Hill Music Festival on 6th Sept:

S.O.S. The Herne Hill Music Festival has been planning to put on bandstand music (three bands) at the Herne Hill Sunday Market on 6th September. But this community event may have to be cancelled because there are insufficient volunteers available to help erect and strike the stage platform and marquee on the day. Cover is needed because England is England, where there is always an excellent chance for rain in September, and bands aren't always prepared to play electrical instruments in rain ponchos. There is also a second bandstand date set for 4 bands on Sept. 13th in jeopardy for the same reason. Can any of you help out?We need 3 reasonably strong people at 9am, to meet by the front of the station, and again at 3pm.Please email Alan Taylor - alan.taylor@dpmail.co.uk - if you can help - BEFORE THE END OF WEDNESDAY Sept 2nd to save this first Festival event for 2015! Read more about this dilemma at http://bit.ly/1hR9Stt
 
Oh wait, this is the Herne Hill forum. Sorry, I thought we were talking about the guy under Brixton Station. Eeek, sorry!
 
On the right hand side opposite the fruit stall as you enter from Atlantic Rd. A few metres from the steps up to the train station ticket office. It's a hole in the wall. Tiny. Enough space for a coffee machine and a person.
 
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