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Again i think you're confusing what the police spend a lot, perhaps even most, of their time doing, with what their role is, which is preserve "stability" and in so doing preserve the status quo and the state. only policing demonstrations / arresting people who keyed rich boss's cars would not lead to stability.
 
Again i think you're confusing what the police spend a lot, perhaps even most, of their time doing, with what their role is, which is preserve "stability". only policing demonstrations / arresting people who keyed rich boss's cars would not lead to stability.
no, i've just been pissing about because i'm bored
 
Again i think you're confusing what the police spend a lot, perhaps even most, of their time doing, with what their role is, which is preserve "stability" and in so doing preserve the status quo and the state. only policing demonstrations / arresting people who keyed rich boss's cars would not lead to stability.

Nah, they really don't spend that much time on the beat. They certainly dont spend that much time policing demos.

It's all admin, collecting evidence, going to court, responding to incidents and occasionally nicking someone.
 
i know. i'm not talking about what they do, i'm talking about the function of the institution. they might spend most of their time doing admin but the point of the police is not to just do admin and sometimes nick someone.
 
I should perhaps point out here that when I started the thread I was thinking of the British police. I'm well aware that the police suck in other countries.
 
Phil

I think what you're trying to say here is that when the uk police want to kill someone they usually have the good manners to do it behind closed doors. A better comparison between the british and brazilian police would have been of the police laughing round the ex-para they killed. No one except you thinks the two examples you contrast are equivalent
 
"You should consider yourself lucky people have it much worse in other countries" is a weak argument phildwyer.
Seriously, people who moan about the British police should try doing one of their "Bash the Rich" marches in Turkey. Or Mexico. Or Brazil. Or just about anywhere other than Britain.
Deaths in police custody since 1998: 333; officers convicted: none
The Guardian, Friday 3 December 2010
IPCC study finds failure in care of vulnerable prisoners – and says juries are unwilling to convict police officers
 
In some good news, Mexico has sacked 10% of its policeforce over corruption. One state sacked the entire force!
 
Seriously, people who moan about the British police should try doing one of their "Bash the Rich" marches in Turkey. Or Mexico. Or Brazil. Or just about anywhere other than Britain.
Do you not think, that it would be better to stop this kind of behaviour before it gets to that stage? Or should we all just sit back and wait?

Fuck that shit.
 
Nice story meltingpot. When i was seriously assaulted i got a cursory examination by a male doctor, promises of victim support and counselling referrals that never materialised and that's it.
 
i know. i'm not talking about what they do, i'm talking about the function of the institution. they might spend most of their time doing admin but the point of the police is not to just do admin and sometimes nick someone.

Why are they doing the admin, though? Its in order to prosecute people, normally.
 
Comparing to other countries is often a bit spurious; nobody in this country is starving to the extent of those places in the world with famine, but you try telling a kid who only has one meal a day, or sometimes one meal every other day over here they should be grateful. It's unlikely to really go down so well. It's easier to feel grateful about something if you are on the higher end of the spectrum, as opposed to somewhere in the middle.

Anyway, I think if the police were really concerned about their local communities, they would argue and carry out more crime prevention schemes; for example a few police have set up football teams with the local lads and play against them regularly, in an attempt to get opposing gangs to come together and keep kids off the streets. Also, the wife set up a local CIC earlier this year and they wrote to a couple of local coppers they know for a bit of funding. They wrote back with 500quid and have already provided lots of sports equipment to make sure the kids who attend the CIC have good resources so they keep coming back and get off the streets. That's community policing, that's using your influence for a positive end.

Projects like the gun amnesty was a great idea too; no fear of being caught, just a chance to get weapons off the streets and maybe for the individual a chance to make a fresh start.

If the police did more things like that, I think the community at large would view them more positively, but they don't, so they evidently aren't that arsed about local communities. Prevention is just as important, perhaps even more so, than the cure, and bringing the police on board in prevention schemes in more direct roles would be no bad thing.
 
Given the fact that the police aren't going to be abolished just yet and are unlikley to fade away , shouldn't the the point be about making them accountable as a public service locally? Or should we just moan about them ?
 
How can you make them accountable when the legal system is geared up to protect them? Of course they should be held accountable, they should be held to a HIGHER accountability than the rest of the public, as they are supposed to represent the laws they so frequently flaunt.
 
How can you make them accountable when the legal system is geared up to protect them? Of course they should be held accountable, they should be held to a HIGHER accountability than the rest of the public, as they are supposed to represent the laws they so frequently flaunt.

accountable locally to the public for what their policing priorities should be and how they perform.
 
Nice story meltingpot. When i was seriously assaulted i got a cursory examination by a male doctor, promises of victim support and counselling referrals that never materialised and that's it.

Sorry, but it seems I've been a bit luckier than you were. I had victim support contact me by 'phone yesterday to ask if I needed anything, and they promised to send me a panic alarm in case the same thing happens again (I was assaulted in my own home). I was examined properly both by a nurse (who managed to get all the glass out of my eyebrow) and by a doctor at a bigger hospital, who checked to see if I had any facial bones broken (fortunately I haven't).

And does a hard punch to the face (or blow with an object, I couldn't see which 'cos it happened too quickly), which cracked one of the lenses of my glasses and gave me a black eye and some cuts to my eyebrow, count as "serious assault?" I think so. If I hadn't had the foresight to order spectacles with shatter-proof glass I could easily have suffered serious eye damage.

I hope whoever did it to you got the punishment they deserved.
 
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