Harry Roberts has been freed

[Mr Moose]

I'm not defending him. But surely the presumption of innocence until proven otherwise still applies?

Surely someone would have been able to say yay or nay to the alleged four years of abusive calls? If it happened it surely reflects on his fitness for release which is what counts. No one needs to prove he can kill. The threats would suggest he could again.

If however the four years of calls were a fabrication surely the animal botherers would be in trouble with the law?

 

[Onket]

Why do you bother?

I really don't know.

 

[kenny g]

But did you hi-light that particular passage? No, indeed you did not. You merely provide links - I provide extracts.

 

[Onket]

Well done.

 

[brogdale]

I do feel sorry for what we did to their families. I do. But it’s like people I killed in Malaya when I was in the army. You don’t feel remorse.

 

[kenny g]

Well done.

Thanks mate. Your the first person to say that to me all week, and you have said it three times already this evening. I like to put the effort in doing these posts so it's nice to get some recognition for once.

 

[Onket]

Thanks mate. Your the first person to say that to me all week, and you have said it three times already this evening. I like to put the effort in doing these posts so it's nice to get some recognition for once.

No problem.

 

[kenny g]

 

[William of Walworth]

I'd really like to know to what extent that story is accurate, about Harry Roberts threatening the animal sanctuary lady, and getting associates to kill/wound the animals

I'm the sort of softest-hearted, cat-loving animal carer who's the most likely of almost anyone to find such behaviour utterly abhorrent and beyond any kind of pale

If the stories about it were even a bit true that is. But are they?

I'm not in any way ignoring/defending (by omission) his cop-killing here, by the way. Just wanted to know the truth or not of the above specific story

 

[kenny g]

I'd really like to know to what extent that story is accurate, about Harry Roberts threatening the animal sanctuary lady, and getting associates to kill/wound the animals

I'm the sort of softest-hearted, cat-loving animal carer who's the most likely of almost anyone to find such behaviour utterly abhorrent and beyond any kind of pale

If the stories about it were even a bit true that is. But are they?

I'm not in any way ignoring/defending (by omission) his cop-killing here, by the way. Just wanted to know the truth or not of the above specific story

If it is all made up there is quite a lot of depth to the fantasy stories, including lengthy interviews with the sanctuary peeps.

 

[William of Walworth]

kenny g
OK, but lets see some more links please, anyone? That story's been posted about at various points in this thread, but no link that I saw. Apologies if I missed one.

I'd search myself but I'm (a) a bit drunk just now, (b) a lot lazy, (c) about to go to bed, and (d) others will know far more than me anyway.

 

[Spymaster]

They're fair game.

I shoot game myself.

I'd class you as "ground game" since there's no such thing as "pond game", afaik.

 

[Mr.Bishie]

Is he out yet?

 

[Citizen66]

Surely someone would have been able to say yay or nay to the alleged four years of abusive calls? If it happened it surely reflects on his fitness for release which is what counts. No one needs to prove he can kill. The threats would suggest he could again.

If however the four years of calls were a fabrication surely the animal botherers would be in trouble with the law?

Surely it'd warrant an investigation and trial of some sort (which was what butchers was suggesting) rather than trial by media?

 

[Louis MacNeice]

Alright, let's have a row.



Should we release every prisoner who cannot replicate his crime?

No prison for those who are unlikely to re-offend?

Is that your position Louis MacNeice ?

I'd also be interested in the views of ViolentPanda and Bakunin

Where I have I argued such a position? What I've objected to is endless detention and capital punishment, not all detention and all punishment. Of course an offender's capacity to re-offend as well as the likelihood of re-offending, should be taken into account when judging whether to release them.

Cheers - Louis MacNeice

 

[Mr Moose]

Surely it'd warrant an investigation and trial of some sort (which was what butchers was suggesting) rather than trial by media?

Yes. It's odd given the gravity of the accusations that it hasn't happened. 4 years of calls have to have been provable or not.

I'm not sure prisoners have to go on trial again though to have their 'good behaviour' assessed.

 

[DrRingDing]

I shoot game myself.

I'd class you as "ground game" since there's no such thing as "pond game", afaik.

Of course you do. Which is why city wankers like your goodself will be up against the wall ASAP.

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

At a guess I'd say the animal stuff is total bollocks.

AFAIK a it was drug dealing inside that has hampered his parole. Four years of nasty phone calls? Prisoners' calls are monitored and they can be denied calls, proper chinny reckon on that.

 

[Blagsta]

No one ever smuggles mobile phones into prison of course

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

No one ever smuggles mobile phones into prison of course

You are of course welcome to abandon critical thinking in favour of a Daily Mail story, that's your right.

 

[maomao]

At a guess I'd say the animal stuff is total bollocks.

AFAIK a it was drug dealing inside that has hampered his parole. Four years of nasty phone calls? Prisoners' calls are monitored and they can be denied calls, proper chinny reckon on that.

I think the accusation was that his friends on the outside had been making the calls. Don't know how many friends you keep on the outside 40-odd years into a sentence for offing 3 filth though.

 

[Mr.Bishie]

No one ever smuggles mobile phones into prison of course

And the police/media never concoct stories either.

 

[Blagsta]

You are of course welcome to abandon critical thinking in favour of a Daily Mail story, that's your right.

You think no one smuggles mobile phones into prison?

 

[Blagsta]

And the police/media never concoct stories either.

True.

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

You think no one smuggles mobile phones into prison?

Have I said that? Alluded to that? Or are you talking shit again?

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/i-have-served-my-time-6160236.html

He was transferred in 1999 to open prison, from where he was allowed out each day to work unsupervised at the St Bernard's Animal Sanctuary in Alfreton, Derbyshire.

Then, on 1 October 2001, he was recalled to closed prison conditions. He was placed in solitary confinement in Lincoln Prison and told that he was being punished following allegations of involvement in "drug dealing and in bringing in contraband into the prison". The next month, newspapers reported that off-duty police officers had seen Roberts mixing with known criminals in London.

Slightly more credible than the Hate Mail's story.


Spymaster

As two of the officers started to search the van, Roberts drew a 9mm Luger pistol and shot DC Wombwell through the left eye, and then shot DS Head in the back as he tried to flee. As the dying officer staggered away Roberts tried to shoot him in the head, but his gun jammed twice.

 

[Mr Moose]

And the police/media never concoct stories either.

But then did the animal sanctuary people concoct it?

 

[Mr.Bishie]

But then did the animal sanctuary people concoct it?

To call them (the Cartwright's) liars without a shred of evidence would be foolish - but considering Robert's parole & the number of coppers (senior & below), MP's & members of the public who don't want him to see the light of day, I can quite easily see this as being state/media fabrication. What better way to pull on the heart strings of the general public, with stories of animal death & cruelty.

You only have to look back recently to the Manchester dogs rescue home that was burnt down, to see just how much people react to such a crime.

e2a, Torygraph link - http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/11183232/Outcry-at-cop-killer-Harry-Roberts-release.html

 

[Citizen66]

No one ever smuggles mobile phones into prison of course

He was jailed in the 60s. He still thinks phones have dials.

 

[Blagsta]

Have I said that? Alluded to that? Or are you talking shit again?

Oh Christ, why did I take you off ignore. Unpleasant little man.