alsoknownas
some bloke
Yes. Hearts and minds stuff.
Hackney chitter-chatter &tc
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Starry Wisdom
also known as "bollocks".
what other parts of london, never part of hackney, do you also believe to be part of the borough?
Treacle Toes
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Starry Wisdom
if by the last 10 years you mean the last 20 years you're on the money. hackney only involved in managing it with lbth via a joint management board 1986-1994.TH have only managed it solo for the last 10 years. Victoria Park Road E9
alsoknownas
some bloke
I remember when they moved the Tower Hamlets sign up the road towards the start of Vicky Park. I dunno how old I was, but I remember feeling genuinely upset.
There was always a turf battle between Hackney and Tower Hamlets kids as to whose park it 'was'. One year at the fair a kid got his ear cut off by Roman Road boys - though I was told that story by other kids so it might be a fairy tale.
Vicky Park will always be a part of Hackney, just like the Dodgers belong to Brooklyn. Call it bollocks if you want, but it's the 'fact' and folklore of a hell of a lot of people.
eta: Dodgers, obv.
There was always a turf battle between Hackney and Tower Hamlets kids as to whose park it 'was'. One year at the fair a kid got his ear cut off by Roman Road boys - though I was told that story by other kids so it might be a fairy tale.
Vicky Park will always be a part of Hackney, just like the Dodgers belong to Brooklyn. Call it bollocks if you want, but it's the 'fact' and folklore of a hell of a lot of people.
eta: Dodgers, obv.
alsoknownas
some bloke
Walthamstow Marshes. That's in Hackney too. Cos it's nice, and it's near my house.
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Starry Wisdom
yeh. the problem with your thesis, attractive though it is, it's built on sand.
let me illustrate:
this is a map of the parish of bethnal green, now subsumed into tower hamlets:
you'll see it contains a fair portion of victoria park. you'll note the parish of poplar, to the east, will also contain quite a bit.
i find it peculiar that people can say "it's ours" when the fact of the matter is that it has never been a hackney park; only 1/3 max of its area ever within the parish, vestry etc. perhaps they should never have given up the auld tradition of beating the bounds.
alsoknownas
some bloke
I think you're failing to realise how this 'hearts and minds' stuff works. It has very little respect for traditional boundaries, and instead draws from people's real life experiences and nurtured sense of community.
alsoknownas
some bloke
I actually feel like we should raise a militia and reclaim Vicky Park 
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alsoknownas
some bloke
...and use it as a staging post to push on towards Q.E. Park! 
Are you with me!!!!?
Are you with me!!!!?
Treacle Toes
Time
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Starry Wisdom
no, i appreciate that. i just find it peculiar when it is so easily demonstrable that despite their belief in its location they erred.
alsoknownas
some bloke
It's interesting actually, thinking about it - it has a lot to do with a sense of territory rather than place. A lot of the families I knew in South Hackney, they would be wary of using Roman Road market, but they would be in their element in Wells Street market. Going 'up west' was a big adventure. There was a definite feel for where their home-ground was, and Vicky Park was very much included.
I've got good and bad memories of all that stuff - close knit, yeah - but quite limiting at times too. Anyone with any new or fresh ideas was firmly told 'don't try and be something you're not', etc.
I've got good and bad memories of all that stuff - close knit, yeah - but quite limiting at times too. Anyone with any new or fresh ideas was firmly told 'don't try and be something you're not', etc.
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Starry Wisdom
yes. but people feeling that something is in their manor or whatnot doesn't mean it's in 'hackney' or 'bethnal green': you just need to look at the greater shoreditch which has been created in the last few years, as though shoreditch had even projected east from st leonard's. the thing is, people no respecter of the arbitrary boundaries of boroughs, so people's familes straddled eg hackney and bethnal green. victoria park may be psychogeographically in hackney for a lot of people. but it's never been in hackney as a whole and the hackney section of the park is limited to its northeastern section. hackney has never extended further south than the pub on the northern border of the park, on the road that used to have a lido on it. it's a simple, demonstrable fact. yet there is no contradiction between that and your piece about people fighting over whose park it was.
Lo Siento.
Second As Farce
this thread's going a bit Doreen Massey.
alsoknownas
some bloke
Is that rhyming slang?
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Fozzie Bear
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Legend has it that when The Clash played at the Anti-Nazi League carnival in Victoria Park, the stage was in Hackney and the audience were in Tower Hamlets.
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Starry Wisdom
that was for licencing reasons probably.
alsoknownas
some bloke
Looking at the footage, that does actually ring true!
alsoknownas
some bloke
It proves our entire argument 
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Starry Wisdom
it's possible but at the time the park was run by the glc.
Fozzie Bear
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You're all weird, anyway.
marty21
One on one? You're crazy.
I used to think that Victoria Park was partly in Hackney - but the area known as Victoria Park is in Hackney, to confuse matters. Victoria park has a fair few loud music festivals etc - Hackney Council usually tweet the phone number of Tower Hamlets noise team when they are on 
and the marshes - I think the border is Lea Bridge Road, and the river Lea and possibly the big junction just before you get to Leyton - so the marshes stradle both boroughs
and the marshes - I think the border is Lea Bridge Road, and the river Lea and possibly the big junction just before you get to Leyton - so the marshes stradle both boroughs
klang
klang
cool, thanks, will look into it v soon!Apparently tickets are selling out fast for the Haggerston Estate film so get on it people!
Sue
braindancer
littleseb
Fozzie Bear
marty21
Lo Siento.
alsoknownas
some bloke
At one point you can hear Joe say "Right, you proper Hackney lot down the front, let's make them Tower Hamlets fuckers at the back know what's what!". Controversial then, controversial now.
marty21
One on one? You're crazy.
yet another new bar opening in Clapton!
don't know what it is going to be called, but it is on the site of a old Cameroon Restaurant (a few doors from the Clapton Hart) almost on the Lea Bridge Roundabout, never went in there when it was a restaurant but I can't imagine it is a very big place
don't know what it is going to be called, but it is on the site of a old Cameroon Restaurant (a few doors from the Clapton Hart) almost on the Lea Bridge Roundabout, never went in there when it was a restaurant but I can't imagine it is a very big place
goldenecitrone
post tenebras lux
Is that the old Mgangbang place?
marty21
One on one? You're crazy.
Yep, think so
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