Hackney chitter-chatter &tc

[Pickman's model]

I think Stoke Newington has resisted hipsterification better than Dalston/Haggerston/Clapton because it already had a largely middle class population already. So you have a handful of venues and things like the Jolly Butchers, but most of the new shops and restaurants in Church Street seem to be aimed at less edgy, more wealthy types - yummy mummys etc.

I think yummy mummies will win out over hipsters in the great gentrification top trumps battle - because they are seen as more "stable" and therefore a better source of income over a longer period of time.

It seems more likely that hipsters, if they continue, will spread out east into Homerton / Hackney Wick. Or north into Tottenham/Walthamstow.

I don't think hipsterification is inevitable, I think it depends on particular things being available to them, as rutabowa has said.

gentrification does not end with hipsters. look, for example, at barnsbury

 

[Fozzie Bear]

gentrification does not end with hipsters. look, for example, at barnsbury

Yes I agree. I suppose we are discussing what form of gentfication we will get, rather than whether or not it will happen.

 

[Fozzie Bear]

I saw some young guy wearing a Mumford and Sons t-shirt and a trilby on the 253 the other day

 

[scalyboy]

Has anyone seen any Hasid youngsters with hipster-trappings yet? Waxed tache, skinny trousers? I reckon it must be v difficult for them to express themselves sartorially - perhaps Hasid women have *slightly* greater scope for variation from the uniform. I saw some lads who had tweaked their clothes for a Mod/60s look (skinny ties, narrow lapels etc) but come to think of it they were probably Orthodox rather than Hasid. One had a 'Mod'/Who target yarmulke, which was .

 

[Fozzie Bear]

Has anyone seen any Hasid youngsters with hipster-trappings yet? Waxed tache, skinny trousers? I reckon it must be v difficult for them to express themselves sartorially - perhaps Hasid women have *slightly* greater scope for variation from the uniform. I saw some lads who had tweaked their clothes for a Mod/60s look (skinny ties, narrow lapels etc) but come to think of it they were probably Orthodox rather than Hasid. One had a 'Mod'/Who target yarmulke, which was .

There are subtle variations in clothing (I think the different sub-sects are allowed to get away with different stuff).

The big thing to watch is the Purim festival when the kids all dress up. This used to be about dressing in the garb of your chosen career (doctor etc) but has loosened up lot recently.

This year we saw a kid dressed as an Oyster Card and one girl was blatantly trying to look like Lady Gaga on the sly. It is fascinating to see thing evolve.

 

[scalyboy]

There are subtle variations in clothing (I think the different sub-sects are allowed to get away with different stuff).

The big thing to watch is the Purim festival when the kids all dress up. This used to be about dressing in the garb of your chosen career (doctor etc) but has loosened up lot recently.

This year we saw a kid dressed as an Oyster Card and one girl was blatantly trying to look like Lady Gaga on the sly. It is fascinating to see thing evolve.

If you were a Lubavitch lad who liked two-tone/ska/bluebeat, would you be allowed to wear a stingy-brim pork pie? I'm guessing 'NO' since the Lubavitchers all seem to favour a fedora. A narrow brim fedora might look weird A pity, since with the black and white strictures they are half-way there for two-tone...maybe one of the other sects would be more liberal about headgear...I have seen pork pie hats worn round Stamford Hill, but not 'stingy brim'...

 

[scalyboy]

...and one girl was blatantly trying to look like Lady Gaga on the sly.

 

[Fozzie Bear]

If you were a Lubavitch lad who liked two-tone/ska/bluebeat, would you be allowed to wear a stingy-brim pork pie? I'm guessing 'NO' since the Lubavitchers all seem to favour a fedora. A narrow brim fedora might look weird A pity, since with the black and white strictures they are half-way there for two-tone...maybe one of the other sects would be more liberal about headgear...I have seen pork pie hats worn round Stamford Hill, but not 'stingy brim'...

I would really like to know more about this - I think part of the issue is that they go to prescribed hat shops so it's not like there is much choice?

 

[scalyboy]

I would really like to know more about this - I think part of the issue is that they go to prescribed hat shops so it's not like there is much choice?

Know your Hasid hats - this is for Brooklyn, but still in part applicable to Stamford Hill, I think, as many of the sects (or 'courts' - Lubabvitch, Satmar, Belz etc) are also present here in London. I reckon the hat in the photo 'a-b' (alef-beys) at the bottom would make a fine pork pie, if the brim was narrower though!

 

[scalyboy]

Ah steph Next time eh?

Yes I was there...watched my mate's band then skanked with solution until the end. Was very good indeed!

Are you in this pic Rutita1, taken yesterday, or anyone else? @skainvita?

 

[Treacle Toes]

scalyboy LOL I am directly behind the man with sunglasses and shaved head on the right of the pic...I can see my hair and know the lady standing behind me in the white top and black cap.

Clappers Priest on the mic

 

[scalyboy]

scalyboy LOL I am directly behind the man with sunglasses and shaved head on the right of the pic...I can see my hair and know the lady standing behind me in the white top and black cap.

Clappers Priest on the mic

OK, so now I know what you look like to say hello next time I think this was at the end...we had gone by then, too hot. Heard Clappers Priest earlier though, he had a fast delivery . I remember him from elsewhere, Carnival? New Empowering Church? My memory is awful Do you know who is the older MC, shortish bloke with grey locks? We were there from 1-4pm -ish so mainly the guy in the blue short-sleeved top and silver chain (in middle of pic) was on mic duties.

 

[Treacle Toes]

OK, so now I know what you look like to say hello next time I think this was at the end...we had gone by then, too hot. Heard Clappers Priest earlier though, he had a fast delivery . I remember him from elsewhere, Carnival? New Empowering Church? My memory is awful Do you know who is the older MC, shortish bloke with grey locks? We were there from 1-4pm -ish so mainly the guy in the blue short-sleeved top and silver chain (in middle of pic) was on mic duties.

Older rasta guy with grey locs is Spirit. Used to have a fish/grocers shop on broadway market until the evil corporates priced him out(he is not visible on that pic).

I am not visible on that pic either hun apart from my hair , if you can recognise me in future from the few kinky strands visible I will be mightily impressed.

 

[scalyboy]

Older rasta guy with grey locs is Spirit. Used to have a fish/grocers shop on broadway market until the evil corporates priced him out(he is not visible on that pic).

I am not visible on that pic either hun apart from my hair , if you can recognise me in future from the few kinky strands visible I will be mightily impressed.

Ah! I thought you meant the lady standing at the back by the wall...OK so you are between the bloke with the shades who is smiling, and the other bald heed man...I see some hair... Spirit - OK yes now I remember, heard him at the new Empowering Church. I never knew he was the same Broadway Market Spirit forced out by the Evil Empire BTW me and the Mrs were at Lower Marsh (Waterloo) recently, same type of independent shops as the old Broadway Market, no coffee chains, the man in one of the shops said the same thing was happening to them - council want to make more £££ so rents/rates going up

Ta for the Solution MC ident info!

 

[Fozzie Bear]

Some new bits on radical Hackney projects of yesteryear:

Interview with one of the people behind Hackney People's Press in the 1970s.

The Hackney Flashers - 1980s feminist photography collective.

Oh and small bit on the recent police spies debacle and Hackney

 

[scalyboy]

It seems more likely that hipsters, if they continue, will spread out east into Homerton / Hackney Wick. Or north into Tottenham/Walthamstow.

I don't think hipsterification is inevitable, I think it depends on particular things being available to them, as rutabowa has said.

In the past week I've seen hipsters at Arnos Grove on two separate occasions

Although you can't get a cupcake or a flat-white in Gina's bakery, or artisan-cut chips in Molly's Bar....YET

 

[andysays]

...It seems more likely that hipsters, if they continue, will spread out east into Homerton / Hackney Wick. Or north into Tottenham/Walthamstow...

 

[scalyboy]

I wouldn't disagree with that, but I think there are specific reasons why the Hasidic community might resist that. For example my understanding is that they are constrained to a particular geographic space for religious reasons.

Also - they have lots of kids (my next door neighbour but one has 14!)

Plus - they try to keep property within the community.

I can see that in 5 years the value of property might put pressure on a lot of that, and there has been talk of a section decamping to a special new build community in Milton Keynes or Essex. But it's just as likely that some will go and a large number will stay.

As rutabowa says, there isn't much nightlife here (or spaces to be used for art studios...)

So I dunno, we shall see.

When I visited New York 7 years ago, the Williamsburg district in Brooklyn was notable for two things - a visible Hasidic community, and a (smaller but still visible) hipster community, they lived side by side, in some cases (my mate said) you could see the Hasidic landlords sitting at the back of the rented cafe/vinyl store, just checking it all out. No idea if this has remained the same 7 years later, editor might know. The hipster enclave was quite small IIRC, focussed around Bedford Avenue.

 

[marty21]

nah it's just saying stamford hill is cheaper both times it mentions it.

I was speaking to my next door neighbour yesterday - she bought her 5 bed house in the late 90s for about £150,000, she is now thinking of selling and has been told by an estate agent to put it on at £750,000 as it is modernised - the property the other side of me went for £605,000 in April as it was unmodernised - the couple who lived there - Jewish, probably the last of the previously fair sized Clapton jewish community had lived there since the late 60s and hadn't done much to it tbf - there used to be a Synagogue close to the Lea Bridge Roundabout - it was demolished (illegally I think) about 10 years ago - it is just an empty lot now

 

[scalyboy]

there used to be a Synagogue close to the Lea Bridge Roundabout - it was demolished (illegally I think) about 10 years ago - it is just an empty lot now

I was wondering about that - saw it an an old A-Z...whereabouts was it in relation to the White Hart/Ethiopian church?

 

[marty21]

I was wondering about that - saw it an an old A-Z...whereabouts was it in relation to the White Hart/Ethiopian church?

It was on Lea Bridge Road, the last building on the Upper Clapton side before the park
http://www.flickr.com/photos/albedo/263130624/

 

[scalyboy]

It was on Lea Bridge Road, the last building on the Upper Clapton side before the park
http://www.flickr.com/photos/albedo/263130624/

Nice building...should never have been demolished. Could have been re-used as an African church like the big synagogue on Brenthouse Road off Mare St. Or as a hipster gaff

 

[marty21]

Nice building...should never have been demolished. Could have been re-used as an African church like the big synagogue on Brenthouse Road off Mare St. Or as a hipster gaff

Would have made a great pub

 

[ibilly99]

There are subtle variations in clothing (I think the different sub-sects are allowed to get away with different stuff).

The big thing to watch is the Purim festival when the kids all dress up. This used to be about dressing in the garb of your chosen career (doctor etc) but has loosened up lot recently.

This year we saw a kid dressed as an Oyster Card and one girl was blatantly trying to look like Lady Gaga on the sly. It is fascinating to see thing evolve.

Oi vey !

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...urful-festival-Purim-celebrate-salvation.html

 

[ibilly99]

In the past week I've seen hipsters at Arnos Grove on two separate occasions

Although you can't get a cupcake or a flat-white in Gina's bakery, or artisan-cut chips in Molly's Bar....YET[/quote

I've seen a new cupcake shop in Sydenham last week looks like they might be the soft battering-ram of hipsterification.

 

[ska invita]

Pics from Whitecross / Solution
scalyboy Rutita1 littleseb Fozzie Bear

This guy was great ... Neville Grooves.

~

Loads more pics if youre on FB https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.661501303878259.1073741826.111546692207059&type=1

 

[ska invita]

Are you in this pic Rutita1, taken yesterday, or anyone else? @skainvita?

just saw your post Scaly (the tag didnt bite) - no i was right at the back at the other end the whole time, out of camera range - if you were at the back there i wouldve met you as i was offering everyone around me rum shots daytime drinking etc

 

[Treacle Toes]

Nice one Ska, some great pics there

Here is a pic of the back of my head with a very smiley man, plus one who is not quite as amused but happy all the same....Carlsberg, probably the best lager to hand..

 

[ska invita]

I don't think hipsterification is inevitable, I think it depends on particular things being available to them, as rutabowa has said.

thats what i like about my corner of south east london - it is immune to nighlife waaay too boring for hipsters and will remain so for years to come

 

[Treacle Toes]

In one of the pics you posted up here...the one of Clappers, laughing...behind him is one of the loveliest people I know...small, Wearing a head band, Argentinian and one of the oldest and hardcore ravers, all types of music, I know. Big up Miguelito! Gonna share that one. He is almost a legend.