Guilty of thought crime: New York cop could get life sentence for cannibal fantasies

[Frumious B.]

There's a little more detail here http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york...cy-kidnap-illegal-databases-article-1.1286075 He hasn't done anything more than talk and email and google and look stuff up in police databases. He didn't meet any of his 'co-conspirators'. He didn't do any stalking or surveillance or make any threats. He did meet one of his targets, Kimberly, because she was already a friend of his. He and his wife had brunch with her.It's amazing she survived the brunch because shortly before that he had emailed someone a document called “Abduction and Cooking of Kimberly: A Blueprint.” And he's looking at a life sentence? It's absurd. There's no evidence that he was going to act out his fantasies. There's no mention of a history of violence or anything.

 

[butchersapron]

I thought he was a copper?

 

[Frumious B.]

More detail in the Mail. The defence lawyer "told jurors that after nearly a year of fantasizing about roughly two dozen women - in many cases, discussing kidnapping with other fetishists - none of the plotters had ever met, exchanged money or committed any crimes." That last bit says to me that the fantasies were a long way from crossing the line to become actual plans.

"The trial has brought to light a macabre community of cyberspace where millions of people discuss and exchange images and video of extraordinary brutality, much of it staged.
On Tuesday, defense attorneys took jurors on a video tour of DarkFetishNet.com, a website at the heart of Valle's case.The website functions like mainstream social media networks and its creator, Russian Web entrepreneur Sergay Merenkov, likened it to Facebook in a videotaped deposition earlier in the week.
However, instead of family photos and cat videos, members share photos and videos of extreme cruelty - including rape and asphyxiation - with the goal of sexual stimulation.
Members dream up brutally violent scripts."

Yeah, lock them all up.

 

[butchersapron]

Certainly lock up police who do this.

 

[Yossarian]

He hasn't done anything more than talk and email and google and look stuff up in police databases.

If he hadn't had access to police databases this case probably wouldn't have made it to court, but I don't have a problem with cops who abuse their resources this way being treated harshly.

If Valle wants to plot to kill and people from now on, he's going to have do it up in Stateville prison.

 

[Frumious B.]

By 'treated harshly' do you mean a life sentence?

 

[TruXta]

What would you have preferred Frumious? Let him go, see what he does? If nothing else he had to be sectioned.

 

[Yossarian]

By 'treated harshly' do you mean a life sentence?

I don't think he should get a life sentence and there's little chance of him getting one. The maximum sentence for conspiracy to kidnap is life but he'll probably get a lot less - if he manages to refrain from murdering and cooking any women while in prison he'll probably be free before the end of the decade.

 

[Frances Lengel]

Read what this bloke was planning and then tell me he's not evil.

Isn't the concept of people being inherently "evil" just a bullshit copout that saves the rest of us from the unpleasant business of examining the dark side of our own natures? Evil's a term sillies and tabloid journos bandy about to describe Jon Venebles and the other one, wotsisname? It doesn't really mean anything IMO. This guy should definitely not be employed as a copper, but given that he hasn't physically harmed anyone, no way should a life sentence even be a possibility.

 

[Nylock]

<snip>He hasn't done anything more than talk and email and google and look stuff up in police databases. </snip>

He abused his access to police databases in order to 'research' some of the *potential* "victims" to help fuel his murdertorturemunchywankfantsies. Regardless as to whether or not he intended to act upon these fantasies, the act of going through the police DB for (to say the least) improper purposes was a massive breach of the public trust and, if nothing else, he should have the book thrown at him for that bit of it....

 

[kittyP]

Certainly lock up police who do this.

Indeed.
Anyone who abuses the power of their place and position of a protector of the people to feed a pretty fucked up fetish needs to be punished.
He is a cop and illegally used his position to research women he had these fantasies about.

What if a social worker used their position to research older teenagers leaving the care system for the same fantasy? There would be uproar!
There is no difference in my opinion.

I'm not sure about a life sentence, that's not up to me but definitely needs immediate mental health care and to be in some sort of custody until this is got to the bottom of.

 

[Private Storm]

what about real cannibals who go beyond mere plotting and really do eat people? Are they all iyo damned?

Depends if the victim agrees to being eaten.

 

[Pickman's model]

Depends if the victim agrees to being eaten.

 

[Greebo]

what about real cannibals who go beyond mere plotting and really do eat people? Are they all iyo damned?

That depends on whether they kill the person in order to eat them or not; people in Papua new Guinea ate the brain etc of dead relatives as an expression of love and respect. It also depends on whether it was an extreme survival situation (as with that crashed rugby team, people drifting in lifeboats, and explorers).

 

[_angel_]

I don't think he should get a life sentence and there's little chance of him getting one. The maximum sentence for conspiracy to kidnap is life but he'll probably get a lot less - if he manages to refrain from murdering and cooking any women while in prison he'll probably be free before the end of the decade.

To be fair I don't think hed get much chance to kill and less to cook women in a mans jail. You'd hope anyway.

Maybe he should be sectioned and held in a hospital, but just waiting for him to act on quite detailed plans??? No.

Btw a young bank manager got 12 yrs for conspiring/ aiding a bank r aid, on evidence of one drawing, so you'd think conspiracy to murder would be worse esp when its ben well documented

 

[Casually Red]

There's a little more detail here http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york...cy-kidnap-illegal-databases-article-1.1286075 He hasn't done anything more than talk and email and google and look stuff up in police databases. He didn't meet any of his 'co-conspirators'. He didn't do any stalking or surveillance or make any threats. He did meet one of his targets, Kimberly, because she was already a friend of his. He and his wife had brunch with her.It's amazing she survived the brunch because shortly before that he had emailed someone a document called “Abduction and Cooking of Kimberly: A Blueprint.” And he's looking at a life sentence? It's absurd. There's no evidence that he was going to act out his fantasies. There's no mention of a history of violence or anything.

kimberley is lucky she wasnt brunch

 

[shygirl]

The sentencing doesn't seem safe given the lack of actual crimes, apart from that of accessing police records. However, who would want to take the risk of releasing someone whose behaviour seems to be escalating and who fantasises about the brutal torture and murder of women? I, for one, wouldn't. The jurors weren't initially all convinced but, after careful study of the evidence and much discussion, they were unanimous in their verdict that this man was unsafe to release back into the community.

 

[butchersapron]

State Cannibalism must be stopped!

A German policeman has been arrested on suspicion of killing and chopping up a man he met on a fetish website for cannibalism and who allegedly fantasised about being killed and eaten.

 

[phildwyer]

This crazy verdict finally overturned:

http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/nyc-crime/conviction-cannibal-nypd-overturned-article-1.1850334

 

[ItWillNeverWork]

Elizabeth Valle says she has her son’s favorite meal — pastellas, Spanish meat pies wrapped in banana — all ready for him now that he's been released.

He'll have eaten his mumsie by this time next year, if you ask me.

 

[butchersapron]

He'll be out for a week - FCJ my arse. This isn't funny.

It's just so so boring now phil.

 

[phildwyer]

He'll be out for a week - FCJ my arse. This isn't funny.

I have no idea what you're talking about.

Has anyone else said that to you recently?

 

[el-ahrairah]

(((kimberley)))

 

[butchersapron]

Judge Paul Gardephe, hey phil did you meet him and stiv bators running a backstreet keg thing?

 

[phildwyer]

Judge Paul Gardephe, hey phil did you meet him and stiv bators running a backstreet keg thing?

Yeah, probably.

Christ it's only 4pm over there, and no football today either. How did you manage it?

 

[butchersapron]

I have no idea what you're talking about.

Has anyone else said that to you recently?

You replied within 60 seconds. Game over. 60 seconds. It's over.

 

[phildwyer]

You replied within 60 seconds. Game over. 60 seconds. It's over.

True, you have the advantage of me now Sir.

Is he on his own at the moment?

 

[butchersapron]

True, you have the advantage of me now Sir.

Is he on his own at the moment?

Is he mcananning it?

 

[phildwyer]

Is he mcananning it?

So how's the revolution coming along?

 

[butchersapron]

So how's the revolution coming along?

LOL, go live in USA!

Defeated. They need water btw