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Guilty of thought crime: New York cop could get life sentence for cannibal fantasies

Frumious B.

Frumious B.

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This is fucking ridiculous - apparently you can be jailed just for going to a chatroom.
A New York City police officer has been found guilty of plotting to murder his wife, and cook and eat other women.
Gilberto Valle - dubbed the "cannibal cop" by US media - was arrested by the FBI last year after a tip-off by his wife, from whom he is now estranged.The 28-year-old faces life in prison when he is sentenced in June.
Valle's lawyers argued he had merely engaged in a role-playing fantasy he concocted while browsing fetish websites, and said they would appeal.
But prosecutor Hadassa Waxman told the US District Court in Manhattan that Valle had "left the world of fantasy and entered the world of reality" by contacting some of the women mentioned in his plans.
He was also convicted on a lesser charge of improperly accessing a law enforcement database to look up the women's personal information.
Prosecutors told how he visited a street that was home to a woman he had agreed to kidnap for $5,000 (£3,360) for a New Jersey man, who is now awaiting trial.
Valle also used the internet to research the best rope for tying up people and to learn which chemicals render a person unconscious. Search terms found on his computer included "human flesh" and "white slavery".
During the trial, Valle's estranged wife, Kathleen Mangan, 27, testified against him. She said she had found "thousands of emails" on her laptop, which he had been using, detailing his plans to like-minded fetishists. "I was going to be tied up by my feet and my wrists and my throat slit, and they were going to watch the blood drain out of me," she added.
Ms Mangan said that in the emails, Valle had discussed how two other women would be "raped in front of each other to heighten their fears", and another would be roasted alive over a fire.
Both she and Valle wept when the court was shown a picture of him in his police uniform, feeding their newborn daughter.
After Tuesday's verdict, the US Attorney for the Southern District of New York, Preet Bharara, said: "Today, a unanimous jury found that Gilberto Valle's detailed and specific plans to abduct women for the purpose of committing grotesque crimes were very real, and that he was guilty as charged.
"The internet is a forum for the free exchange of ideas, but it does not confer immunity for plotting crimes and taking steps to carry out those crimes."
But Galle's lawyer, Julia Gatto, said the conviction was flawed because the jury had focused on his "unusual and bizarre and frankly very ugly" thoughts, and not on the fact that no-one had been harmed.
"This is a dangerous prosecution, when we start opening up our minds and prosecuting what's inside our brains and not in the real world," she added. "We totally believe the government did not prove their case and the jury couldn't get past the thoughts."
The defence team said it would ask the judge to set aside the verdict.
Amid the investigation into Valle's online correspondence, UK authorities arrested two men last month in Kent, England.
The pair, aged 57 and 30, from the Canterbury area, were released on police bail while inquiries continued.
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-21761077
 
Imagine the distress this must've caused his wife, merely thinking about things does not have that effect. To say it's 'not in the real world' is a load of bollocks, it's no different to overhearing your husband discussing your forthcoming torture, rape and murder in the next room.

I'm not a fan of prison as a means of solving society's ills, but there are a few people in this world who are simply evil beyond redemption and need to be locked away forever.
 
SpookyFrank said:
Imagine the distress this must've caused his wife, merely thinking about things does not have that effect. To say it's 'not in the real world' is a load of bollocks, it's no different to overhearing your husband discussing your forthcoming torture, rape and murder in the next room.

I'm not a fan of prison as a means of solving society's ills, but there are a few people in this world who are simply evil beyond redemption and need to be locked away forever.
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and you're the man to identify who they are i suppose
 
to be honest, i think it's right that this chap was arrested. no point in waiting for him to actually rape and kill a load of women. now a jury can decide if his rape and murder fantasies were harmless daydreams like what we all have, or if he was actually making plans to do so.

i'm not convinced that rape and sex-murder fantasies are a sign of a healthy mind, so maybe a spell somewhere secure with therapists might do him some good.
 
Not sure about this his "fantasy" went a bit beyond talking on the net.
Using the police database and talking to somebody who offered to pay him to kidnap a women he's left platform normal destination unpleasant.
 
el-ahrairah said:
to be honest, i think it's right that this chap was arrested. no point in waiting for him to actually rape and kill a load of women. now a jury can decide if his rape and murder fantasies were harmless daydreams like what we all have, or if he was actually making plans to do so.

i'm not convinced that rape and sex-murder fantasies are a sign of a healthy mind, so maybe a spell somewhere secure with therapists might do him some good.
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Juries? What's needed here is clearly a short news report and a person on the internet.
 
Pickman's model said:
backtracking from the 'and should be locked away forever'?
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Nope, I still thnk he should be locked away for ever. But I know people who have been victims of this kind of psycho so I'm perhaps less able to be reasonable about it than others might be.

Taking pleasure at the thought of causing others as much suffering as possible, if that's not evil then what the fuck is? My personal belief is that with the best will in the world some people are so badly broken that they cannot be fixed, and that the only thing to do is to protect others from them.
 
SpookyFrank said:
Taking pleasure at the thought of causing others as much suffering as possible, if that's not evil then what the fuck is? My personal belief is that with the best will in the world some people are so badly broken that they cannot be fixed, and that the only thing to do is to protect others from them.
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Probably best to leave that to the therapists charged with trying to rehab people. If you're just going to say that someone is fucked beyond all possible redemption, you'd be kinder (and a lot cheaper) just to shoot them and be done.
 
Lemon Eddy said:
Probably best to leave that to the therapists charged with trying to rehab people. If you're just going to say that someone is fucked beyond all possible redemption, you'd be kinder (and a lot cheaper) just to shoot them and be done.
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There is a reason I'm not a professional therapist. Well, lots of reasons but one of them is that I think the only safe place for some people (admittedly a very tiny number of people) is dead in the cold cold ground and that that might also be the kindest place to put them. It can't be pleasant to live with a mind so full of hatred and pain.
 
SpookyFrank said:
Nope, I still thnk he should be locked away for ever. But I know people who have been victims of this kind of psycho so I'm perhaps less able to be reasonable about it than others might be.

Taking pleasure at the thought of causing others as much suffering as possible, if that's not evil then what the fuck is? My personal belief is that with the best will in the world some people are so badly broken that they cannot be fixed, and that the only thing to do is to protect others from them.
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So who takes out all the cops and other anti-social scum like bailiffs, pcsos, etc?
 
Pickman's model said:
So who takes out all the cops and other anti-social scum like bailiffs, pcsos, etc?
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Whilst I don't like coppers or bailiffs, I don't think we should execute the lot of them. I actually have a lot of faith in humans generally, and I think even professional wrong 'uns can become good people in the right circumstances. This faith is not limitless though, and it doesn't extend to those who plot to roast people alive and eat them.
 
SpookyFrank said:
Whilst I don't like coppers or bailiffs, I don't think we should execute the lot of them. I actually have a lot of faith in humans generally, and I think even professional wrong 'uns can become good people in the right circumstances. This faith is not limitless though, and it doesn't extend to those who plot to roast people alive and eat them.
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what about real cannibals who go beyond mere plotting and really do eat people? Are they all iyo damned?
 
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