Grant Shapps: other countries based on 'populism'

[sihhi]

Interview here, criticising other countries for taking action following the WHO's approach.

He failed to mention the outbreak in a care home in Scotland Six Covid-19 cases at Lanarkshire care home

Which governments will best protect their people?

 

[frogwoman]

I have no idea how to stop Covid 19. My South Korean ex is deeply against both our policies and what we are doing.

They may well be right but the government media messaging, leaks, contradictions and so on has been nothing short of catastrophic.

 

[frogwoman]

They should be giving briefings every night not getting surrogates to say random shit in interviews

 

[frogwoman]

I know of someone who has fucking died from this shit so technological science wizards saying do this do that don't do this don't do that, whatever bat shit scheme they are advocating (and I say the same about lockdowns as well) need to fucking shut it.

 

[frogwoman]

Look at my graph, its based on SCIENCE. Might as well look at a fucking crystal ball.

I need to know whether I can go and visit my grandma ffs!

 

[Doctor Carrot]

The communication has been fucking dire. We just need information, non filtered straight from the government itself and not filtered and contradictory. I work with the public, I'm gonna get ill because people are just not prepared for this socially, emotionally or even just basic fucking preparations like how to cough properly.

There's still a lot of 'ah well, it's just a bit of flu' or 'it'll all blow over don't worry.' That view ranges all the way up to 'arggh! arrgh! arrgh!' no in between those views, no mobilisation of the population and that's what worries me more than catching the virus.

 

[elbows]

They should be giving briefings every night not getting surrogates to say random shit in interviews

They have now switched to a daily briefing approach, but still there are the continual messages from other sources.

Given how badly they fucked the public comms up last week, they will have to put on the performance of their lives today.

 

[sihhi]

I need to know whether I can go and visit my grandma ffs!

Perhaps not until the pandemic is under control.

 

[sihhi]

Given how badly they fucked the public comms up last week, they will have to put on the performance of their lives today.

Public comms unfortunately is not action.

 

[elbows]

Public comms unfortunately is not action.

To stand a chance of getting the journalists and more of the scientific community back on side, I think they will have to do more than spin the same strategy in a slightly different way. I wont be surprised if thats mostly all they try to do today though. If that still doesnt work, and some key people or devolved administrations break ranks, then hopefully the orthodox approach can be shattered.

 

[sihhi]

To stand a chance of getting the journalists and more of the scientific community back on side, I think they will have to do more than spin the same strategy in a slightly different way. I wont be surprised if thats mostly all they try to do today though. If that still doesnt work, and some key people or devolved administrations break ranks, then hopefully the orthodox approach can be shattered.

The gap between Ireland & Britain has become a little too glaring. The deaths are also escalating. Japan strongly encouraged all regions to close schools at 24 deaths even with their bigger population.
The parallels between Spain & Britain are also quite clear. Madrid and London very similar -- no action, no action, ICUs start filling up.
Now the Madrid mayor is infected too.
Also the PPE shortages are likely to suckerpunch a fraction of healthcare staff spread health centre based infection and community infection before things have even got off. In Daegu hospital staff are staying at the hospitals overnight, to limit this.

 

[SpookyFrank]

Look at my graph, its based on SCIENCE. Might as well look at a fucking crystal ball.

I need to know whether I can go and visit my grandma ffs!

Welcome back froggy

 

[elbows]

Yeah, whatever happens in the next day or two, its likely that the situation will soon look different to everyone again, as a result of what quickly happens to the NHS, and who knows what sort of measures that will force.

 

[FridgeMagnet]

Can't imagine why anyone wouldn't take Grant Shapps seriously.

 

[sihhi]

Yeah, whatever happens in the next day or two, its likely that the situation will soon look different to everyone again, as a result of what quickly happens to the NHS, and who knows what sort of measures that will force.

This log graph is alarming wrt Italy, Spain, Britain & France.

 

[Athos]

I have no idea how to stop Covid 19. My South Korean ex is deeply against both our policies and what we are doing.

They may well be right but the government media messaging, leaks, contradictions and so on has been nothing short of catastrophic.

What's their criticism of the South Korean approach?

 

[brogdale]

This log graph is alarming wrt Italy, Spain, Britain & France.

Looks like UK could very soon have world beating growth.
Johnson's legacy.

 

[Proper Tidy]

This log graph is alarming wrt Italy, Spain, Britain & France.

Fucking hell.

Is the common denominator solely that spain and UK have taken laissez faire approach and italy delayed while rest more proactive? Knew that was case with SK but though china and iran similar to italy in that tighter controls only kicked in after big spike in infections while US taking similar stance to UK. Any other notable differences/commonalities?

 

[elbows]

Fucking hell.

Is the common denominator solely that spain and UK have taken laissez faire approach and italy delayed while rest more proactive? Knew that was case with SK but though china and iran similar to italy in that tighter controls only kicked in after big spike in infections while US taking similar stance to UK. Any other notable differences/commonalities?

Most countries took broadly the same approach to the initial phase. Hong Kong, Singapore, Taiwan were exceptions. Chinas approach was different too, but due to the timing that only really applies to areas beyond Hubei, with the initially undetected Wuhan & Hubei spread more closely resembling what we will see in other countries that took the traditional approach (dont do enough, and where what they called containment isnt really at attempt at full containment). South Korea mostly tried the strong approach of Singapore etc, but they were unlucky and ended up with the massive spread within a church/cult to deal with.

I discovered the other day that there was some quite bad lag in the USA with reporting some of the deaths there, so I would not take the lower trajectory of the USA on the graph as necessarily meaning much. Some of Irans numbers are deeply suspect. Japans numbers are also a little odd, I would not be surprised if they are working with a different sense of the picture behind the scenes.

 

[brogdale]

This fuckwit vermin seems rather special...

 

[sihhi]

I discovered the other day that there was some quite bad lag in the USA with reporting some of the deaths there, so I would not take the lower trajectory of the USA on the graph as necessarily meaning much. Some of Irans numbers are deeply suspect. Japans numbers are also a little odd, I would not be surprised if they are working with a different sense of the picture behind the scenes.

I think Iran's deaths are underreported as were China's. USA had a spike of lung complications in February which might have been hidden COVID explaining why A&E workers

New info now has 2,000 Italian healthcare workers infected.

Japan I have no clue, but their attitude has changed a lot, most places in big cities now have a 'no mask no entry' policy.

 

[maomao]

Fucking hell.

Is the common denominator solely that spain and UK have taken laissez faire approach and italy delayed while rest more proactive? Knew that was case with SK but though china and iran similar to italy in that tighter controls only kicked in after big spike in infections while US taking similar stance to UK. Any other notable differences/commonalities?

The Chinese lock down has been beyond anything the European population would tolerate. Everyone's moves tracked through their phones 24/7, people taking temperatures in the street (may not be medically effective but you'd be scared shitless going out if you had a fever).

 

[Buddy Bradley]

The Chinese lock down has been beyond anything the European population would tolerate. Everyone's moves tracked through their phones 24/7, people taking temperatures in the street (may not be medically effective but you'd be scared shitless going out if you had a fever).

They also sent 10% of their entire medical workforce to one city to get it under control.

 

[sihhi]

The Chinese lock down has been beyond anything the European population would tolerate. Everyone's moves tracked through their phones 24/7, people taking temperatures in the street (may not be medically effective but you'd be scared shitless going out if you had a fever).

Another way of looking at it is once the overall deaths rack up and healthcare worker deaths rack up and the PPE runs short, European armed forces in major lockdown cities will enforce stay-at- home-for-all-but-power-workers-healthcare workers and distribution of food ration parcels with volunteers. Who knows.

 

[BigTom]

Fucking hell.

Is the common denominator solely that spain and UK have taken laissez faire approach and italy delayed while rest more proactive? Knew that was case with SK but though china and iran similar to italy in that tighter controls only kicked in after big spike in infections while US taking similar stance to UK. Any other notable differences/commonalities?

Italy has one of the oldest popluations in the world, so it's to be expected that they will have a higher % of deaths than South Korea or China. Comparisons with other European countries are better but don't help us compare different strategies since the European countries look to be all doing about the same thing.
So really it's just a factor to try to take into account when looking at figures about deaths.

 

[sihhi]

Italy has one of the oldest popluations in the world, so it's to be expected that they will have a higher % of deaths than South Korea or China. Comparisons with other European countries are better but don't help us compare different strategies since the European countries look to be all doing about the same thing.

There are differences in timing essentially East Europe was quicker off the mark than Western, Britain is still in the starting blocks.

France Health minister said "The number of cases double every three days"

 

[maomao]

Italy has one of the oldest popluations in the world, so it's to be expected that they will have a higher % of deaths than South Korea or China.

It's second behind Japan and Germany is third behind Italy. Hard to take the aging population thing as a reason when you compare the three countries' published case and death figures.

 

[frogwoman]

My ex is against the lockdowns in Italy too, thinks they are completely inhuman and wrong. She's a basically a South Korean heterodox conservative who fucking hates Moon usually. Given she is from the country whose been one of the most successful in containing this thing I think I am inclined to take her seriously.

Edited for clarity

 

[sihhi]

My ex is against the lockdowns in Italy too, thinks they are completely inhuman and wrong. She's a South Korean Tory who fucking hates Moon usually. Given she is from the country whose been one of the most successful in containing this thing I think I am inclined to take her seriously.

Don't listen to Tories!

 

[frogwoman]

Don't listen to Tories!

Hah no I wont. She was a bit when I was going out with her. Dunno what she thinks now. fucking hates Johnson.