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Golliwog in the window - should this really be in court?

What are you talking about, political posters and alike? This is a neighbours dispute where one party appears to have used an gollywog doll to have a racist pop at the other. Seems pretty clear cut to me. innocent gesture my arse. A 5 year old 30 years ago, might have left a gollywog doll lying around. But an adult, now just happens to produce one after a dispute with their black neighbour. O.. K...

There's serious issues about how freedom of speach and access to lawful information can seemingly be readily curtailed. But this really aint a hook to hang any of those concerns on.
I thought I'd made it pretty clear I had no sympathy in this particular case. Let me check...

By reading that account, it does appear that it was put in the window as a deliberate act to cause offence.
I wouldn't shed any tears to see Mason fined or whatever,
Yep, looks like it.

The word 'precedent' was rather key to the question I was asking I think.
 
The word 'precedent' was/is the issue though corax. This is hardly the first case of offence cause by golliwog displays...it is clear from the story this one is more an attempt to offend being as the doll appeared during a neighbour's dispute.

You are suggesting that this neighbour being pulled up for being a racist pig could mean you have less rights to express your political affiliations...now unless you are BNP/EDL ( which I know you are not) I don't see how you think that the race relations act/associated laws or considerations are going to infringe on your personal rights and freedom of speech.
 
I thought I'd made it pretty clear I had no sympathy in this particular case. Let me check...


Yep, looks like it.

The word 'precedent' was rather key to the question I was asking I think.

What president? Making a racist gesture isn't some new offence. I don't get how you've read that story and linked it to potential curtailment of political expression. you might have had the shade of a corrolation had they stuck a BNP poster in the window. Even then, it would be pretty bloody obbious it was a racist not to say stupid, gesturr, rather than a longstanding expression of political opinion.

This is just some daft old racist twat being offensive.
 
The word 'precedent' was the issue though corax. This is hardly the first case of offence cause by golliwog displays...it is clear from the story this one is more an attempt to offend being as the doll appeared during a neighours dispute.
No doubt. Mens Rea dead easy to demonstrate, hence the prosecution I presume.

But - I've not come across another case before where someone displaying an item in their window, which isn't legally considered offensive itself (ie golliwogs aren't illegal), leads to a prosecution.

I've no objection to the woman being buggered by a shark in punishment tbh, I was just wondering about that aspect. And I'm not claiming to be particularly informed about how the law works in that area either.
 
FFS Urban. Is it not possible to state that you have slight misgiving on something and ask for the input of others without it being assumed you're defending the reich?
 
No doubt. Mens Rea dead easy to demonstrate, hence the prosecution I presume.

But - I've not come across another case before where someone displaying an item in their window, which isn't legally considered offensive itself (ie golliwogs aren't illegal), leads to a prosecution.

I've no objection to the woman being buggered by a shark in punishment tbh, I was just wondering about that aspect. And I'm not claiming to be particularly informed about how the law works in that area either.
The thing is constructive in the case you knob
 
FFS Urban. Is it not possible to state that you have slight misgiving on something and ask for the input of others without it being assumed you're defending the reich?

Er, nobody thinks you're defending this woman. Just you've got crossed wires reading what the case was about. AA racist gesture. Not a stuffed toy. Context etc a&ce as per.
 
Did you read the story? Has the doll always been there? Did the owners of the house suddenly decide they had a perchant for black dolls? Did they suddenly remember their favourite marmalade and think...'Oh yeah, let us remind the world!!!!!'

Of course they did it on purpose to cause offence. That's part of the definition of rudeness.
 
Fill the large homes of rich property owners with ordinary people.
 
My neighbours, the Cohens, have never complained about the bronze bust of Hitler I keep on a plinth in my front garden. It's political correct...shoots self.

Many years ago, a friend of mine, left some stuff at my place when he moved abroad, promising he would collect at some point. I stored it in the cupboard for quite a few years, he came and went, each time taking more things with him. In the end I was left with this very large, bronze-esque bust-like picture...of someone or other...it was cheesy but i liked it. I put it up in my spare room in the end.

A few years later, a Polish friend came to stay...I was happy to offer him my spare room...I met him at the station, we went straight out to eat and then drink, got drunk and stumbled home. He went to bed that night in his clothes on top of the bed, too drunk to check his room out. The next morning I woke up to him swearing an stomping around.... the bust/picture- bronze-esque-thingy on the wall was of Lenin...I had no clue until then. :oops: :facepalm:
 
There was a chap who got threatened by the police for displaying a poster in his window at the last general election that was rude about the tories (can't remember what it said, but it wasn't that offensive iirc).
 
Many years ago, a friend of mine, left some stuff at my place when he moved abroad, promising he would collect at some point. I stored it in the cupboard for quite a few years, he came and went, each time taking more things with him. In the end I was left with this very large, bronze-esque bust-like picture...of someone or other...it was cheesy but i liked it. I put it up in my spare room in the end.

A few years later, a Polish friend came to stay...I was happy to offer him my spare room...I met him at the station, we went straight out to eat and then drink, got drunk and stumbled home. He went to bed that night in his clothes on top of the bed, too drunk to check his room out. The next morning I woke up to him swearing an stomping around.... the bust/picture- bronze-esque-thingy on the wall was of Lenin...I had no clue until then. :oops: :facepalm:

At least it wasn't Uncle Joe. :eek:
 
having grown up in suffolk, I've lost count of the number of klan members you come across.

My Grandparents lived in v rural Suffolk. I like it very much but let's be fair you wouldn't have to go far for a barbed comment about Brixton, so Suffolk has to take it on the chin.
 
like the womens fince collection of porcelain pigs that only appeared in the window after getting into an arguement about people from a mosque parking badly or something.
tbf think she got off as religions are not covered. it was a snide attempt to insult.
Neighbor already pissed off called the cops.
cops turn up racism flagged up as a target attempt to reason with old bat get "I pay your wages go catch some proper criminals etc etc HEY guess what your a proper criminal now:D your nicked"
 
Many years ago, a friend of mine, left some stuff at my place when he moved abroad, promising he would collect at some point. I stored it in the cupboard for quite a few years, he came and went, each time taking more things with him. In the end I was left with this very large, bronze-esque bust-like picture...of someone or other...it was cheesy but i liked it. I put it up in my spare room in the end.

A few years later, a Polish friend came to stay...I was happy to offer him my spare room...I met him at the station, we went straight out to eat and then drink, got drunk and stumbled home. He went to bed that night in his clothes on top of the bed, too drunk to check his room out. The next morning I woke up to him swearing an stomping around.... the bust/picture- bronze-esque-thingy on the wall was of Lenin...I had no clue until then. :oops: :facepalm:
Are you Father Ted? :D
 
'My neighbours, the Cohens, have never complained about the bronze bust of Hitler I keep on a plinth in my front garden. It's political correct...shoots self.'

In Sicily, I saw large busts of Mussolini on sale everywhere in the shops and they are dispayed in the windows, i wonder what partisans and the their families and other victims think of that?
 
In Wareham there's a shop which basically just sells Golliwogs. Key rings, fridge magnets, dolls of all sizes, pictures, you name it.

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Going in there was like being in a scene from Darius James' Negrophobia.
 
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