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Global financial system implosion begins

The retail banks are leaving are they? So no banking facilities at all in the UK? Cash under the mattress for everyone. :facepalm:
Probably a poor choice of wording on my part, but much of retail banking is equally movable up to the diminishing number of physical retail locations and a minimal domestic presence behind it. Lots of boring, not particularly well paid jobs in there, and the investment banks too.
 
The reason why some banks say they're looking at relocating to other EU countries is apparently to do with something called 'passporting', which allows them to be based in London and sell their products & services to people all over the EU. If we leave the single market (which it looks like we'll be forced to do if reducing immigration is perceived to be of ultimate importance) then that stops, and the banks won't be able to stay here and legally do any business with other EU countries. Something like that.
Banks poised to relocate out of UK over Brexit, BBA warns - BBC News
 
UK could slash corporation tax to 10 percent if EU blocks Brexit trade deal: Sunday Times

"People say we have not got any cards...We have some quite good cards we can play if they start getting difficult with us. If they're saying no passporting and high trade tariffs we can cut corporation tax to 10 percent."
and the rest of the EU know that the Tories really are that fucking stupid / that in hoc to big business / ideologically in favour of ultra low taxation that they'd do it.
 
Not if Osborne's surplus has been kicked down the line.
No, there's still plenty of national debt with the 'consolidator state', (that's Fincap's lifeblood), but it's weaponised to justify class-war against labour and the welfare state.
 
The City of London already is. See Nicholas Shaxson’s 2011 book Treasure Islands: Tax Havens and the Men Who Stole the World

Tax havens don’t need to be reformed. They should be outlawed Monday 4 April 2016

Even Andrew G Haldane, the Chief Economist at the Bank of England, admitted that Financial Services are extractive.
There was an interesting 'long read' type piece a while back - The Graun probably - about how its tax arrangements have left it near bankrupt. IIRC, zero corporate tax but they used to tax foreign workers or non-doms or whatever, but the EU said no, you can't differentiate by nationality, so they stopped taxing anyone and now they're fucked.
 
No, there's still plenty of national debt with the 'consolidator state', (that's Fincap's lifeblood), but it's weaponised to justify class-war against labour and the welfare state.

Surely an accelerated translation from a debt state to a consolidator state as you put it, would not involve the postponement of previous aims to balance the budget and an indication of a willingness to increase debt to fund infrastructure spending, both of which we have seen from this government.
 
Surely an accelerated translation from a debt state to a consolidator state as you put it, would not involve the postponement of previous aims to balance the budget and an indication of a willingness to increase debt to fund infrastructure spending, both of which we have seen from this government.
Both are entirely consistent with 'consolidator state' status, and represent an acceleration in the neoliberal process of transferring wealth and power from labour to capital.
 
On his show on Russia Today?

the second half is always an interview...Michael Hudson yesterday...

he banks won't be able to stay here and legally do any business with other EU countries

they would need to have subsidiary companies in each EU country and operate from each which multiplies overheads - although I can't see any of the serious banks not having long-established subsidiaries in most of the major EU countries - less so for the smaller finance companies -

presumably once the post-Brexit City & Canary Wharf have been left tumbleweed-blown ghost-towns and Brussels is calling the shots they can blow the dust off those plans to introduce a Tobin Tax - that was largely being stymied by UK ( along with some sort of crack downs on bonus levels iirc...)

European Union financial transaction tax - Wikipedia

The European Commission itself expects the EU FTT to have the following impact on financial markets and the real economy:
  • Up to a 90 per cent reduction in derivatives transactions (based on the Swedish experience).
  • An effective curb on automated high-frequency trading and highly leveraged derivatives
In its latest study from May 2012 the European Commission also dismissed the belief that financial institutions could avoid the tax by moving their transactions offshore, saying they could only do so by giving up all their European customers.

...that'll go down well with Goldman Sachs ( Frankfurt ) Gmbh ...MiFid2 is also designed to bear down on automated trading & dark pools - which presents some sort of opportunity for London to engage in regulatory arbitrage as the less regulated Wild West Frontier of Spivvery...
 
I know this is classic Tory values but just because you lived in Corby for a bit doesn't mean it's OK to tactically nuclear strike everywhere else down to the same level. Maybe Coalville, say, but not everywhere.
Mebbes the eltists bastards are finally getting the message, the Brexit vote wasn't mainly about 'immigration' but about the majority of the country feeling 'left out'
Fuck the city and those who depend on it, let them feel the cold winds that the miners, steelworkers and shipbuilders et al have felt for years.
The message is, it can't get any worse for many of us should the 'city' goes 'tits up'
And we will enjoy seeing the 'guilded elite' suffer.
Sorry, but that's how many of us feel.
 
Mebbes the eltists bastards are finally getting the message, the Brexit vote wasn't mainly about 'immigration' but about the majority of the country feeling 'left out'
Fuck the city and those who depend on it, let them feel the cold winds that the miners, steelworkers and shipbuilders et al have felt for years.
The message is, it can't get any worse for many of us should the 'city' goes 'tits up'
And we will enjoy seeing the 'guilded elite' suffer.
Sorry, but that's how many of us feel.
Why "sorry"?
If the great vampire squids wrapped around the face of humanity were to actually do what they've been threatening for yonks and fuck off somewhere else...so much the better.
 
Why "sorry"?
If the great vampire squids wrapped around the face of humanity were to actually do what they've been threatening for yonks and fuck off somewhere else...so much the better.
The 'sorry' was for the thousands of people on piss poor wages who depend on 'the city' to make ends meet and who will suffer as the city (and hopefully neoliberalism) collapses.
 
The 'sorry' was for the thousands of people on piss poor wages who depend on 'the city' to make ends meet and who will suffer as the city (and hopefully neoliberalism) collapses.
They'll suffer if it doesn't.
 
They'll suffer if it doesn't.
They will suffer both ways, comes down to the degree and length of suffering, neo liberalism offers the fictious escape from neopoverty to some kind of precarious ' middle class nervous survivability' but only on the whim of the 1%ers
Destroy the the 1%ers ( I'm not talking about violent revolution) just progressive taxation, fair redistribution of wealth etc,100% VAT on luxury goods and property.
Bugger it, I'm half pissed and fed up, seems to be me usual state these days:(
 
Fuck the city and those who depend on it, let them feel the cold winds that the miners, steelworkers and shipbuilders et al have felt for years.
? Yeah i know where you're coming from but what you are in fact doing is wishing poverty on tens if not hundreds of thousands of working class people.

Theres a good book called Swimming With Sharks which looks at who actually works in the City, partly as a way of trying to find who was responsible for the banking crisis. The vast amount of people employed, over 90% are by my definition working class people doing bullshit jobs with little idea about economics or banking. And thats before we get into all the ripples of service industry, which in the south east must be massive.

Now I'd like to see banking scaled right back in terms of their role in the economy, but it needs to be a transitional process. Thats what was wrong about closing the pits. Pits have shut all across the world - i come from a mining town in eastern europe, and there all those pits shut too. And environmental concerns meant that in time they needed to be shut. What was wrong with the process under Thatcher was partly that there was no desire to help the workers there transition into other work. It was deliberate sabotage and forcing into hardship.

That was wrong with the coalfields and thats what would be wrong with banking if everyone upped and left in one year without any kind of planned transition. I wouldnt wish poverty on anyone
 
They will suffer both ways, comes down to the degree and length of suffering, neo liberalism offers the fictious escape from neopoverty to some kind of precarious ' middle class nervous survivability' but only on the whim of the 1%ers
Destroy the the 1%ers ( I'm not talking about violent revolution) just progressive taxation, fair redistribution of wealth etc,100% VAT on luxury goods and property.
Bugger it, I'm half pissed and fed up, seems to be me usual state these days:(
I'm not convinced that there is such a thing as a 'usual state' with the neoliberal project. Streeck's strength is that he offers a clear, descriptive narrative of how neoliberalism has evolved and, specifically, how global, financialised capital has exploited the state to further its agenda.

Regarding neoliberalism like all capitalist relations, (an attempt to reduce costs & maximise profit), he argues that the process has gone through a number of distinct phases.

The first phase largely saw the capitalist state's role as effecting the 'supply side' labour reforms that weakened, then destroyed the ability of organised labour to negotiate terms. Throughout this assault on labour the state pursued inflationary/expansionist macro-economic policies as an insurance against organised resistance/civil unrest. The dying days of the tax state.

The second phase represented the expanding ambition of capital to evade responsibility for paying for the state; the falling tax revenues from corporate/rich taxation were compensated for by massively increased public debt. The rise of the debt state.

The third phase involved the consolidation of the gains made by capital by striving for a situation in which corporate/rich taxation is driven down to zero. The resulting public debt also being weaponised as a pretext for slashing the size of the state by slashing welfare and privatising increasingly areas of state provision. The era of the consolidator state.

In this third phase the continuing existence of public debt is essential to fincap both as an important income stream and as a political tool with which to effect consent for the state's attack on its own provision of services. In essence the consolidator state is evolving into a kind of sub-contracted agent of financialised capital charged with collecting direct/indirect taxation from labour to funnel towards capital.

One main challenge for any potential future government that might seek to confront this neoliberal trajectory is the state's reliance upon debt; at any point where fincap felt there were a threat to the project the markets (especially bond) could effect a capital strike forcing up yields to unsustainable (Greek-style) levels.
 
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Why "sorry"?
If the great vampire squids wrapped around the face of humanity were to actually do what they've been threatening for yonks and fuck off somewhere else...so much the better.
As long as we are reliant on private bank-created money, which 97% of our money is, it probably is an issue if they upped and left. If we rediscover how to create our own credit, then we wouldn't need the banks anymore to drive our economy and most of their operations would vanish.

But we have to work that out though.
 
As long as we are reliant on private bank-created money, which 97% of our money is, it probably is an issue if they upped and left. If we rediscover how to create our own credit, then we wouldn't need the banks anymore to drive our economy and most of their operations would vanish.

But we have to work that out though.
If any banks do fuck off, (which I very much doubt), it'll be the investment shysters. I'm sure that those retail/corp banks remaining would continue with their fractional reserve money creation.
 
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