Gerry Adams exposed , his lies demolished at brothers rape trial

[Ld222]

The problem with the armed struggle was it was bollocks from the state even a brief reading of mao would have seen the futile nature of the goal.
A more than 50% of the population were really against not being british the death knell
B irish goverment far from supportive and incapable of any worthwhile action.
C irish people not up a socialist goverment in any way shape or form
D British not that interested it was never top of the agenda just about every NI minister was a no hoper / punishment posting. The army actually saw it as a useful live training facility.

What an overly simplistic, generalised analysis of the situation.

50% of what population? The gerrymandered entity that is the O6C.

 

[Ld222]

Well if it's there's a option get rid of Letrim as well....

It's not nonsense.
The North cost's the UK taxpayer something like 5 billion a year in subsidies. The state is the largest employer directly employing nearly a third of the workforce. The republic simply can't afford to absorb that.

Are Unionists going to embrace the republic if it means losing things like the NHS? Free Prescriptions? No Council Tax?

What do you suggest we do, lower the North's standard of living to met the republic, or raise the standard of living in the republic to match the north (and find this additional cash where exactly?)

Actually, the latest Josepth Rowntree Report on poverty in the 'North' shows that,

Northern Ireland has a higher poverty rate than the rest of Ireland, according to a new study from the Joseph Rowntree Foundation.

Just over one in five of the population of Northern Ireland (21 per cent) was experiencing poverty in 2011, compared to 15 per cent in the Republic, the foundation reported in its Monitoring Poverty and Social Exclusion in Northern Ireland 2014 study published today.

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/irel...ls-in-north-higher-than-in-republic-1.1736881

 

[j.patterson]

So you'll condemn say the death of Garda Gerry McCabe? Or any other Irish Police Officer? Seeing as the leading cause of Garda deaths since the foundation of the Irish Police Service is the IRA.

Oh and seeing as 21% of all IRA victims were civilians (over 400 odd deaths in the modern campaign) I presume you'll condemn that as well?

Oh yes what did you say "The 1916 proclamation reserves the right of Irish people to use physical force. I don't agree with it but I certainly won't condemn it." You'll condemn all violence against civilians, and you won't condemn the IRA campaign despite the fact that they murdered hundreds of innocent men women and children. The IRA will attack school buses, memorial services, pubs and innocents but hey you seem to think it's okay to be okay with some of their violence but not others.

You. Are. A. Fucking. Joke.

No fucking way..my comrade stiffed Mc cabe..and he was given every opportunity to surrender and he refused to do so...in that event it was always going to end in his demise......3 times he was told to back off or fuck off...and he refusef to do so...what do you think the outcome was going to be....

 

[j.patterson]

So you'll condemn say the death of Garda Gerry McCabe? Or any other Irish Police Officer? Seeing as the leading cause of Garda deaths since the foundation of the Irish Police Service is the IRA.

Oh and seeing as 21% of all IRA victims were civilians (over 400 odd deaths in the modern campaign) I presume you'll condemn that as well?

Oh yes what did you say "The 1916 proclamation reserves the right of Irish people to use physical force. I don't agree with it but I certainly won't condemn it." You'll condemn all violence against civilians, and you won't condemn the IRA campaign despite the fact that they murdered hundreds of innocent men women and children. The IRA will attack school buses, memorial services, pubs and innocents but hey you seem to think it's okay to be okay with some of their violence but not others.

You. Are. A. Fucking. Joke.

As usual your facts are wrong...where did you get those figures our kid..your in danger of becoming urbanns Conor Cruise O brain.....more english than the english themselves.....something tells me you wish you had been born on the other side of the channel....bless ya....will do the rosery at clonnard tonight for you

 

[8den]

No fucking way..my comrade stiffed Mc cabe..and he was given every opportunity to surrender and he refused to do so...in that event it was always going to end in his demise......3 times he was told to back off or fuck off...and he refusef to do so...what do you think the outcome was going to be....

Really you have a source for that? Because at the trial it concluded that they were killed instantly before they had time to draw their own weapons.

 

[8den]

As usual your facts are wrong...where did you get those figures our kid..your in danger of becoming urbanns Conor Cruise O brain.....more english than the english themselves.....something tells me you wish you had been born on the other side of the channel....bless ya....will do the rosery at clonnard tonight for you

Piss off you turgid armchair revolutionary.

 

[Pickman's model]

Piss off you turgid armchair revolutionary.

pls could you reply to my posts because i've now been waiting a considerable time for you to formulate your response.

 

[Idaho]

All countries are politically constructed entities. There is no natural nation state.

What an overly simplistic, generalised analysis of the situation.

50% of what population? The gerrymandered entity that is the O6C.

 

[8den]

pls could you reply to my posts because i've now been waiting a considerable time for you to formulate your response.

Yeah see you're a cunt and I couldn't be arsed.

 

[Kalfindin]

mi5 is not 9 to 5 you know

Most squaddies thought either gerry or martin or both if not agents were more or less informers or playimg some sort of game

Most squaddies have an average reading age of 11.

 

[8den]

All countries are politically constructed entities. There is no natural nation state.

New to Irish politics are you? (not disagreeing with your point it's utterly right, it's just you're arguing with two groups of people who will never agree with each other)

 

[Kalfindin]

theres a programme on tonight on BBC NI , and tomorrow on BBC 4 on the disappeared and its said to be heartbreaking . Adams is accused outright of ordering these disappearances, naturally enough he lies repeatedly through his teeth . But theres an audio recording of the late Brendan Hughes accusing him specifically of ordering the killings and disappearances . Its being broadcast on RTE as well . I think this will actually damage him to an extent . Not within his own sycophantic party but among public opinion .

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-24801620

Touts are shot in all wars, that's just how it is. In WW2 the British shot spies at the Tower of London. With respect Brendan at the end of his life was disillusioned, sidelined and seriously ill.

 

[Kalfindin]

Yes. Adams was a key peacemaker. That doesn't make other things he has done, or (in relation to his brother) failed to do, all OK, but he did his country a good service by helping to end the slaughter.

Adams is a brilliant strategist, the war was over, the population had had enough, year on year less attacks against Crown forces, it was harder to operate. The spectaculars took huge resources, only 1 in 5 were successful. Adams got the best deal he could.

You can analyse it from the perspective of the real world or the perspective of misty eyed idealism.

 

[Kalfindin]

You think the Provos campaign helped in the slightest achieve equal rights? I suggest you've been buying into Provo revisionism. It denied space for reform and "normalisation", not as an unforeseen consequence but as an explicitly stated goal.
I'm not a pacifist so I don't imagine some kind of violence might not be needed to change things but not the provo's violence because funny enough the provo's campaign was specifically designed to stop any such reforms within the northern polity.

Before 1996, it was illegal to fly the Irish flag in the north of Ireland, in the 60s Irish dancing clubs were raided and patrons beaten up by the Police, you obviously don't have a clue what it was like there or how the Provos were seen by the working class as freedom fighters against oppression. You imagine walking to the shop for a pint of milk and being stopped by wanker racist squaddies, searched, intimidated, threatened and abused every day.

 

[Pickman's model]

Yeah see you're a cunt and I couldn't be arsed.

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you got me bang to rights and i can't argue my way out of a wet paper bag

 

[Pickman's model]

Before 1996, it was illegal to fly the Irish flag in the north of Ireland, in the 60s Irish dancing clubs were raided and patrons beaten up by the Police, you obviously don't have a clue what it was like there or how the Provos were seen by the working class as freedom fighters against oppression. You imagine walking to the shop for a pint of milk and being stopped by wanker racist squaddies, searched, intimidated, threatened and abused every day.

you'll get an earful now

 

[Kalfindin]

you'll get an earful now

Just showing how the RUC attacked funerals to rip the Irish flag off coffins as it was an illegal flag. If that's not provocation what is.

 

[8den]

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I like raping children and making them drink my cum

because hey pickman's if you don't have a point and want to be a shit, i'll fight fire with fire, you fucking shit.

 

[8den]

Just showing how the RUC attacked funerals to rip the Irish flag off coffins as it was an illegal flag. If that's not provocation what is.

Both sides were cunts. IRA bombing of remembrance day celebration was what? A proportionate response?

 

[Kalfindin]

Aye that's true, few good results for Republican independents but little impact overall. I still have absolutely no idea what Sinn Fein's strategy is for a United Ireland. Does anyone know? Their politics seems to revolve around building on the peace process, ok now what? That's why I'm angry with them they're sitting in Stormont doing fuck all for the Republican cause and seem to be more focused on getting seats than core Republican principles.

The peace process is the foundation stone of a future united Ireland. The war is over and the conditions not there for armed struggle, any armed struggle has to come from the people. This is what dissidents don't understand.

 

[N_igma]

The peace process is the foundation stone of a future united Ireland. The war is over and the conditions not there for armed struggle, any armed struggle has to come from the people. This is what dissidents don't understand.

Well there are of course a lot of people who don't want violence but at the same time don't agree with the Sinn Fein strategy which is a concept some idiots on this board fail to grasp.

 

[8den]

The peace process is the foundation stone of a future united Ireland. The war is over and the conditions not there for armed struggle, any armed struggle has to come from the people. This is what dissidents don't understand.

Wow everyone on both sides of the debate here is going to think you're a asshole.

I can't seem to find your quote where you were try and defend Adams as a murderer of a innocent woman, and his hiding of a convicted child sex offender.

 

[8den]

Well there are of course a lot of people who don't want violence but at the same time don't agree with the Sinn Fein strategy which is a concept some idiots on this board fail to grasp.

See you're making me agree with N_igma this is how bad you are.

 

[Pickman's model]

because hey pickman's if you don't have a point and want to be a shit, i'll fight fire with fire, you fucking shit.

i know you can't come up with a cogent argument because you've been spouting crap for weeks on this thread. it would be nice if you made an effort - who knows, you might even come out with something worth reading. as it is the more you post the more your vacuity becomes clear. resorting to making up quotes saying i like raping children shows just how pitifully weak you are.

 

[Kalfindin]

So you condemn all IRA actions that kill civilians but don't condemn their campaign. Despite the fact their campaign killed hundreds of civilians.

A Brain Surgeon you ain't.


The IRA did not deliberately target civilians, if they had the deathtoll would have been in the tens of thousands, obviously in thousands of operations target acquisition did not always go to plan. Don't the British call this collateral damage ?



Civilian killings wasnt a dedicated IRA tactic? What about Birmingham? Guilford? Blood Friday? La Mon? Harrods? Enniskillen? Teebane? Warrington? Shankhill Rd? or London Docklands? All bomb attacks on civilian targets.

Fuck off.

PS arguing that the UVF and their ilk killed more civilians than the IRA as a "percentage" is the finest piece of "whataboutery" I've ever heard.

The IRA did not deliberately target civilians, if they had the deathtoll would have been in the tens of thousands, obviously in thousands of operations target acquisition did not always go to plan. Don't the British call this collateral damage ?

 

[Pickman's model]

Both sides were cunts. IRA bombing of remembrance day celebration was what? A proportionate response?

it's disappointing you can't count as far as 3

 

[Kalfindin]

Are you honestly this dense? You claimed



I listed off IRA attacks where civilians were the targets. Pointing out that you're a clueless fucking liar.

So no please explain how attacking Harrods or a pub in Birmingham or the London Docklands, or Bloody Friday, or Enniskillen weren't attacks with the direct aim of murdering civilians.

Cops were killed at Harrods, Birmingham/Guildford squaddies pubs, Docklands an economic target, Enniskillen a Brit military event. Hardly deliberately targeting just civilians. You cant make an omelette without cracking eggs sadly.

 

[Kalfindin]

So you don't think there's any reason for attacking British soldiers in the framework of an armed struggle against British occupation?

From a strategic point of view, nothing to be gained from at this time. The mandate for war must comer from the people.

 

[Pickman's model]

Cops were killed at Harrods, Birmingham/Guildford squaddies pubs, Docklands an economic target, Enniskillen a Brit military event. Hardly deliberately targeting just civilians. You cant make an omelette without cracking eggs sadly.

we've been through all this, and 8den's been found wanting.

 

[Pickman's model]

From a strategic point of view, nothing to be gained from at this time. The mandate for war must comer from the people.

eh? where was the mandate in 1916?