Gerry Adams exposed , his lies demolished at brothers rape trial

[LiamO]

Yeah, right...thanks for that; I'm trying to get up to speed on this and hoping to do so without unduly pissing anyone off.

As you say the seized tapes could only provide hearsay, so presumably that's why the dissidents could be of use to the PSNI? For whatever reason, presumably some within their ranks could provide evidence that substantiates the hearsay?

Even if they did (and they would certainly have difficulty rationalising 'touting' on someone they often deride as a 'tout' *) their evidence itself could only be more hearsay after all these years.

Unless Adams gives it 'Alright Guv, it's a fair cop and no mistake. Slap the irons orn and take me orf to pokey' then I would struggle to see any 'case' meeting the standards for prosecution, never mind being successfully prosecuted.

it's all smoke and mirrors.

* although CR gave a pretty good demonstration of this 'logic' above.

 

[brogdale]

it's all smoke and mirrors.

I assume GA is just maintaining a 'no comment' policy?

Who do you think is blowing the smoke and placing the mirrors? Isn't this a bit of a mare for Dave, or am I being naive?

 

[LiamO]

Tricky to rely on their evidence, they're both dead.

Exactly.

It was always political?

JR was not referring to the struggle itself. He was referring to this particular case becoming a political football.

 

[LiamO]

I assume GA is just maintaining a 'no comment' policy?

I would assume he is following sound legal advice. I would also assume he has been told how to handle this. Not for how best to benefit himself but for how the strategists he collectively works with see as being best for their collective peace strategy.

Who do you think is blowing the smoke and placing the mirrors? Isn't this a bit of a mare for Dave, or am I being naive?

I would imagine there are many elements and angles at play here.

The main ones being trying to shaft the Shinners politically and also pushing SF towards an open/all-encompassing amnesty. Thus taking the heat off RUC Special Branch who have any number of plates currently wobbling and threatening to crash down at any time.

Isn't this a bit of a mare for Dave, or am I being naive?

Not really. Dunno. Time will tell.

 

[Buckaroo]

This is crackers. We don't have a clue. But it's heavy either way and has big implications for collusion stuff and everything else. GA has to be exonerated or charged. This has to be resolved. Time will tell.

 

[Joe Reilly]

GA has to be exonerated or charged. This has to be resolved.

Actually it dosen't. If he's not charged this time, then the McConville family, or elements therein will immediately announce the civil action, lower burden of proof etc, but attracting similar dramatic headlines, allowing PSNI/media to beat the bushes for any other evidence, - encourage other disaffected former allies, such as Gilroy and Rodgers, to step up perhaps - and thus keep the monkey on his, and SF's back.

 

[Casually Red]

If you've got the time, and don't mind doing so, could you expand on that? As someone who needs to get up to speed on the background to this story, what motivates the 'dark forces' of PSNI to connive with the dissidents?

or the dissidents to connive with the dark lords of the sith for that matter . Its pile of laughable horseshit hes trying to spin here but it should be good for a laugh nontheless .

 

[Casually Red]

Because the enemy of my enemy is my friend?

cop yourself on

A no good cunt called Martin McGuinness was openly crowing about the interception and arrest of men in Derry seized with primed mortars, congratulating the PSNI on their diligence and a job well done . Regularly urging people to pass on information to them, chasing after the queen and now its the dissidents who are squealing to the cops ?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-21651900

Deputy First Minister Martin McGuinness said: "I want to pay tribute to the PSNI for preventing what could have been a terrible loss of life in an attack which was clearly designed to damage the peace process.


"Increasingly people are providing information which is the proper thing to do so that we can thwart the efforts of those who would try to destroy the peace that has been built up and which is so admired throughout the world."

for fucks sake

The shinners are saying tonight theres a dark side to police, we only squeal and collaborate with the progressive PSNI factions. The ones that lift us once in a blue moon are the dark side. We dont squeal to them . The dissidents do, theyre squealing on us to the cops

fucking hell.

 

[Casually Red]

Even if they did (and they would certainly have difficulty rationalising 'touting' on someone they often deride as a 'tout' *) their evidence itself could only be more hearsay after all these years.

Unless Adams gives it 'Alright Guv, it's a fair cop and no mistake. Slap the irons orn and take me orf to pokey' then I would struggle to see any 'case' meeting the standards for prosecution, never mind being successfully prosecuted.

it's all smoke and mirrors.

* although CR gave a pretty good demonstration of this 'logic' above.

get to fuck liam, thats well out of order and a bit too personal, actually very . Basically your calling me a tout. Id suggest you withdraw that . My only stance on the subject of oaths and loyalty was setting the record straight with a history project . Not giving evidence to the cops.

well out of order there .

 

[Casually Red]

Connivance between Dark Forces of PSNI and Dissident/Jihadists...that's crackerjack mental.

its the line sinn fein have been spinning since day one . If your opposed to the peace process your a British agent basically . According to them there are these strange dark elements of the British security apparatus who are opposed to the peace process . So therefore those republicans who oppose it are a creation of these securocrats . This utter nonsense was used for many years to justify people who werent on message being forced up on stages in social clubs to read out pre prepared apologies for criticising the leadership, kidnappings, men being stripped naked, blindfolded and interrogated, beaten , threatened with death and generally harassed, barred from clubs and pubs for many years until those who were opposed eventually became too numerous to fuck around like that any more.
I myself faced a serious amount of hostility and threat for quite a few years due to my beliefs . 2 members of my immediate family were attacked, one quite severely . Other freinds were abducted. One close freind was murdered . All because dissidents opposed the great almighty fucking leadership, and were therefore touts.

Thats the pathetic and snide line Mr Reilly is trying to spin here . On behalf of a group of people who have been praised to the rafters by the British establishment for their support for the state and its forces and for combatting the dissindent threat . Who are regularly on the telly urging people to pass on information on their republican neighbours. And now calling others police agents and informers.

An isnult to ones intelligence is one thing but when one sees that pernicious line result in someone I consider a freind basically calling me a tout now on the internet for me expressing my disgust with that state affairs and the hypocrisy of those now criticisng the PSNI for lifting an untouchable , one just completely despairs.

But anyway thats the line Mr Reilly is trying to feed you . Up to yourself whether you believe it or not .

 

[bolshiebhoy]

They need another 48 hours? Is that Adams fella using all their time up interrogating them about the murder of Pat Finucane.

 

[framed]

It needs to be remembered though that it was Adams himself who met the McConville family, coming to them as a friend..as he usually does..and who told them he was interned when the abduction took place . Not only was that a lie it was basically laying the blame for it at Brendan Hughes door . Because if it wasnt Adams who ordered it it could only have been Hughes . Those guys were very high profile figures in the lower falls in 72, everyone knew their roles. So basically he started out fingering Hughes for it in a very public fashion . Although not naming him, the fact was he didnt need to name him .

He cynically repeated the exercise some years later when he was giving his oral history of the Hunger Strikes. He was asked by Peter Taylor who in his opinion was responsible for the deaths of the ten Hunger strikers. His answer was both astounding and disgusting . He publicly blamed Brendan Hughes for the ten deaths .

So, regardless of the failings of the Boston project there were very compelling personal, political and historical reasons for Brendan Hughes and others to set the record straight . What Adams was laying at their doors in a very public fashion had to be addressed in some forum . And sadly that was the only forum available to those people . If Adams hadnt been lying through his teeth and making these accusations against others then there might not have been any need for the issue to be addressed .

The IRA accepted responsibility for the death of Jean McConville.

Whose interests does it serve to pursue the individuals alleged to have been involved?

 

[Casually Red]

The IRA accepted responsibility for the death of Jean McConville.

Whose interests does it serve to pursue the individuals alleged to have been involved?

Hate to answer a question with a question but since when do British forces persue any other interests than their own interests ?

 

[framed]

Hate to answer a question with a question but since when do British forces persue any other interests than their own interests ?

And unless other republicans collude with the PSNI enquiry, there will surely be no case to answer?

 

[LiamO]

Basically your calling me a tout.

just to be clear... No. I definitely am not, did not, would not be calling you a tout. Not implying it. Not suggesting it .

I would however suggest you read my post again. And put your glasses on this time.

I will reply properly to your post in the morning.

e2a; on 2nd thought I won't bother me arse. You have to have a 'special' kind of reading ability to draw the (diversionary) conclusion you chose to draw from my post.

 

[Casually Red]

And unless other republicans collude with the PSNI enquiry, there will surely be no case to answer?

from what I can see the only person co operating with the PSNI is Mr Adams. Its unclear though whether or not these are the bad PSNI or the good PSNI . Unlike Martin McGuiness I have great difficulty differentiating between the 2.

An interesting development though is tonight McGuinness has made a threat that theyll have to review their support for the good PSNI if the bad PSNI charge Adams . Although its an empty one its provoked quite a bit of anger from the other Stormont parties.

Perhaps its time Sinn Fein reported these good PSNI officers whove told them of the existence of this mysterious cabal to the Police authority where their members sit supposedly to hold the force to account . Plainly if its true theres an abuse of office going on it should be thoroughly investigated and the guilty parties exposed.
Otherwise I might get the impression Sinn Fein arent there to hold them to account and are just performing poodles put there as window dressing for an unaccountable force.

 

[Idris2002]

from what I can see the only person co operating with the PSNI is Mr Adams. Its unclear though whether or not these are the bad PSNI or the good PSNI . Unlike Martin McGuiness I have great difficulty differentiating between the 2.

An interesting development though is tonight McGuinness has made a threat that theyll have to review their support for the good PSNI if the bad PSNI charge Adams . Although its an empty one its provoked quite a bit of anger from the other Stormont parties.

Perhaps its time Sinn Fein reported these good PSNI officers whove told them of the existence of this mysterious cabal to the Police authority where their members sit supposedly to hold the force to account . Plainly if its true theres an abuse of office going on it should be thoroughly investigated and the guilty parties exposed.
Otherwise I might get the impression Sinn Fein arent there to hold them to account and are just performing poodles put there as window dressing for an unaccountable force.

Johnston Brown always seemed like a good RUC/PSNI officer to me. His arrest in 2006 seems to indicate that the service is factionalised, and that claims by SF of securocrats up to no good are more than just window-dressing for their own record:

http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2006/aug/10/northernireland.northernireland

 

[Casually Red]

Johnston Brown always seemed like a good RUC/PSNI officer to me. His arrest in 2006 seems to indicate that the service is factionalised, and that claims by SF of securocrats up to no good are more than just window-dressing for their own record:

http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2006/aug/10/northernireland.northernireland

what the shinners are trying to suggest to you is the apparatus itself is good, but theres a few rotten apples in there ruining it. The exact opposite is the case. People like Brown are the very rare exception. Thats why he got arrested and not the handlers of various death squads. If the majority of PSNI dont support what happened to Brown where were the Police Federation to fight his case, to express disgust at his treatment ? Nowhere, not a peep from the PSNI rank and file.

British intelligence run the PSNI. End of story. They are a British counter insurgency force first and foremost, a renamed RUC. Sinn Fein have tried to con the Irish people into believing otherwise and acted as a recruiting sergeant for it and its counter insurgency intelligence role. Theyve proclaimed its legitimacy over the Irish people as an armed force and are reduced to this ridiculous face saving explanation everytime they do something Sinn Fein finds embarassing and difficult to justify. The bad apples . That is the exact same shit the British government, SDLP and RUC spun to the Irish people for decades whenever collusion with death squads and the like came to light. Not the force itself, just a few bad apples. And now we have Sinn Fein in exactly the same apologist role spinning the very same crock of shit to the Irish people. Because the same people who ran the RUC, British intelligence, run the PSNI. The PSNis role is the exact same as the RUCs. Counter insurgency number one, policing number 2.
Johnty Brown crossed the RUC initially. Then they changed the RUCs name but he was still crossing the same institutions with very same roles.

If theres a bad PSNI then what have Sinn Feins representives on the Police Authority, Policing boards and in various Stormont ministries done to hold them to account for all these years ? Sinn Fein have supposedly been in positions holding them to account for about 8 years now. To have them arrested, to have them exposed , disempowered , sacked ? The answer is absolutely nothing because they are completely powerless to do anything. Adams was reduced at one point to even claiming theres a good MI5 and a bad MI5. Its a complete load of self serving bollocks . Just as the SDLps apolgias were bollocks for all those years.

 

[Joe Reilly]

The IRA accepted responsibility for the death of Jean McConville.

Whose interests does it serve to pursue the individuals alleged to have been involved?

The people who think it serves their interests are in no particular order: all Free State parties threatened by another SF surge in the upcoming elections.
Dissident republicans. The McConville family. PSNI or elements therein. Ruth Dudley Edwards. DUP. Revisionist historians. SDLP. Sean O' Callaghan. MI5. The Times. Daily Mail and Telegraph. The Catholic Church...add in as you see fit.

However what seems to escape the dissidents is this. If as Brendan Hughes claims, McConville was actually a tout, who though warned once, continued to collaborate and thus put the lives of local volunteers in danger on a daily basis, then grisly though the vista might be, as a national liberation movement, the IRA had the right to top her.

Indeed it might be argued they had little choice, grim though it might sound, to do so. The question of deterrence and so forth.

Indeed even had they got it wrong, and it was an honest mistake, and not out of personal malice, the same rationale applies. As far as I know no one is suggesting it was anything other than a political act.

So what's being challenged by the Adam's arrest amounts to considerably more than the arrest of a so called 'untouchable'.

It is a rolling back of history. For what the arrest is saying is that the IRA did not have that right. They did not have that right because it was never a just war. Not ever.

A shabby backstreet murder pure and simple. So at a stroke, the struggle as a whole is de-legitimised.

It's the same as if in 1973 someone like Frank Aiken or Sean Lemass was arrested and questioned by the RUC for the murder of a collaborator 40 years earlier, then that is the type of territory we are in.

 

[Idris2002]

The people who think it serves heir interests are in no particular order: all Free State parties threatened by another SF surge in the upcoming elections.
Dissident republicans. The McConville family. PSNI or elements therein. Ruth Dudley Edwards. DUP. Revisionist historians. SDLP. Sean O' Callaghan. MI5. The Times. Daily Mail and Telegraph. The Catholic Church...add in as you see fit.

However what seems to escape the dissidents is this. If as Brendan Hughes claims, McConville was actually a tout, who though warned once, continued to collaborate and thus put the lives of local volunteers in danger on a daily basis, then grisly though the vista might be, as a national liberation movement, the IRA had the right to top her.

Indeed it might be argued they had little choice, grim though it might sound, to do so. The question of deterrence and so forth.

Indeed even had they got it wrong, and it was an honest mistake, and not out of personal malice, the same rationale applies. As far as I know no one is suggesting it was anything other than a political act.

So what's being challenged by the Adam's arrest amounts to considerably more than the arrest of a so called 'untouchable'.

It is a rolling back of history. For what the arrest is saying is that the IRA did not have that right. They did not have that right because it was never a just war. Not ever.

A shabby backstreet murder pure and simple. So at a stroke, the struggle as a whole is de-legitimised.

A few points on that . . .

You could say that the bombing of Dresden wasn't legitimate and it wouldn't de-legitimise the struggle as a whole.

Nuala O'Loan says that she found no evidence that Mrs. McConville had been an informer, but what struck me as odd about NO'L's statement there was that normally in this sort of case some kind of report is issued, detailing how the investigation was carried out, and how conclusions were reached. . . but I don't recall that happening here. It's hard to see how that sort of investigation would have proceeded. Did O'Loan rock up to special branch or MI5, ask to examine their files, and was then told 'sure, fire away, be our guest'? Would there even be any hard evidence to support or discredit claims of informer status, several decades on?

The other possibilty is that Mrs. McConville was targetted and murdered for no real reason at all, which is the sort of thing that happens when you cry havoc and let slip the dogs of war.

As for the political establishment in the south, my homie Enda the K would do well to remember that it was his party founder who started the practice of killing informers, back in the halcyon days of the Tan war.

I also doubt if this will make much difference to SF's political stature in the south. Talking to people at home, the consensus is that Gerry is very guilty indeed, but that Mary Lou is the real deal when it comes to speaking up in the Dail (and this from people I never thought would say that sort of thing).

 

[Joe Reilly]

A few points on that . . .

You could say that the bombing of Dresden wasn't legitimate and it wouldn't de-legitimise the struggle as a whole.

And if you charged Bomber Harris/Churchill with mass murder?

 

[Idris2002]

And if you charged Bomber Harris/Churchill with mass murder?

And if you charged Joe with mass murder?

 

[Casually Red]

However what seems to escape the dissidents is this. If as Brendan Hughes claims, McConville was actually a tout, who though warned once, continued to collaborate and thus put the lives of local volunteers in danger on a daily basis, then grisly though the vista might be, as a national liberation movement, the IRA had the right to top her.

whoah, hold on there pedro ? Whats this the dissidents nonsense ? Please point out to us one single instance of any republican group or spokesperson or indeed individual condemning this killing. Theres only 3 republicans with any profile Im aware of whove discussed its rights or wrongs in a public forum. Brendan Hughes, Dolours Price and Gerry Adams.
Both Brendan Hughes and Dolours Price..the dissidents..albeit private individuals not attached to any organisation, have stated she fully deserved what she got as an informer, that her killing was perfectly justified . Gerry Adams says its a terrible thing that should never have happened. So whats this the dissidents nonsense about ? Youre pulling this rubbish clean out of the air.

If you have evidence of any dissident organisation , any spokesperson, calling this action unjustified then feel free to post it. Back it up.

Why youre misleading board users though is an interesting issue to consider. Im simply assuming this is the party line youre parrotting.


It's the same as if in 1973 someone like Frank Aiken or Sean Lemass was arrested and questioned by the RUC for the murder of a collaborator 40 years earlier, then that is the type of territory we are in.


Well not really as the treaty that was signed back then involved actual amnesties, unlike this one these pair of brainboxes negotiated .

But its a good thing youve compared the reality of the PSNIs role to that of the RUCs. Which begs the question why have sinn fein been a recruiting sergeant for them for the past 8 years and answers the question why theres dissidents in the first place.

 

[Pickman's model]

And if you charged Joe with mass murder?

uncle joe? bit late now

 

[LiamO]

Well not really as the treaty that was signed back then involved actual amnesties, unlike this one these pair of brainboxes negotiated .

To the best of my knowledge, a general amnesty was offered willingly by the British govt 16 years ago - and was declined by Republicans that it was not within their gift to accept it... as this would mean no Bloody Sunday enquiry, no investigations into state collusion with loyalists etc.

It may have suited the IRA. It did not suit the people SF represent.

This collusion etc - and the need for some elements to distract attention from this - is the driving force behind the latest shenanigans imo.

 

[Joe Reilly]

whoah, hold on there pedro ? Whats this the dissidents nonsense ? Please point out to us one single instance of any republican group or spokesperson or indeed individual condemning this killing. Theres only 3 republicans with any profile Im aware of whove discussed its rights or wrongs in a public forum. Brendan Hughes, Dolours Price and Gerry Adams.
Both Brendan Hughes and Dolours Price..the dissidents..albeit private individuals not attached to any organisation, have stated she fully deserved what she got as an informer, that her killing was perfectly justified . Gerry Adams says its a terrible thing that should never have happened. So whats this the dissidents nonsense about ? Youre pulling this rubbish clean out of the air.

If you have evidence of any dissident organisation , any spokesperson, calling this action unjustified then feel free to post it. Back it up.

Why youre misleading board users though is an interesting issue to consider. Im simply assuming this is the party line youre parrotting.


It's the same as if in 1973 someone like Frank Aiken or Sean Lemass was arrested and questioned by the RUC for the murder of a collaborator 40 years earlier, then that is the type of territory we are in.


Well not really as the treaty that was signed back then involved actual amnesties, unlike this one these pair of brainboxes negotiated .

But its a good thing youve compared the reality of the PSNIs role to that of the RUCs. Which begs the question why have sinn fein been a recruiting sergeant for them for the past 8 years and answers the question why theres dissidents in the first place.

As usual you only see every event through a dissident prism. And because you think Adams is Satan you are hugging yourself in glee at his arrest and detention while entirely missing the bigger picture.

You say that actual amnesties are entirely different to the release of prisoners and attendant understandings under the GFA.

And if there was an 'actual amnesty' this time too and they reneged on it?

What then?

There you still are cheering them on presumably.

 

[Casually Red]

As for the political establishment in the south, my homie Enda the K would do well to remember that it was his party founder who started the practice of killing informers, back in the halcyon days of the Tan war.

I also doubt if this will make much difference to SF's political stature in the south. Talking to people at home, the consensus is that Gerry is very guilty indeed, but that Mary Lou is the real deal when it comes to speaking up in the Dail (and this from people I never thought would say that sort of thing).

An Irish politician being involved in a political killing years ago is absolutely no big deal whatsoever in Irish politics, absolutely not a vote loser in any manner shape or form . It wont harm the sinn fein vote one bit, and indeed if the perception is Adams is being treated unfairly then it will only galvanise it. All it will do is make Adams interactions with the media and political establishment a bit of a farce. He wont be able to talk about anything else, rendering him redundant as top party spokesperson.

What any charges will do is basically make it impossible for Adams to continue in his current role. Politically hes just too much a liability. Hes been dithering for ages on the issue of stepping down. Many pro sinn fein journos and the like have been saying for years hes not doing the party any good and should consider retirement as party leader. Hes a pensioner now for chrissakes.

From a British intelligence point of view what theyre doing is making the partys decisions for it, forcing the issue. Hes abandoned west Belfast, you can see a number of his former west Belfast faithful are currently sitting on the dissident wing in maghaberry. He lost control of the street so to speak. A massive failure from a British point of view. His job was to keep west Belfast in line, but he fucked off to Dundalk after disgracing himself at Hughes funeral in front of the entire Falls road with his carry on.Rather than face the people there at election time.
He refused to greet the queen, left that heavy lifting to McGuinness in case it went wrong. As British intelligence are the Queens people, the defenders of their realm that may well be seen as a bit of a snub..him too good to shake the Queens hand ? Hold on a minute, old chap. It was the same in Stormont, barely spoke, left the lifting to McGuinness. Hes of no further use, hes reached his expiry date and we are seeing the consequences of that .

Its not a few bad apples, its what happens when you lose and when your former opponents can do as they will and theres nothing you can do about it. Irish people once again expressing astonishment and outrage that the British establishment doesnt play fair and have no gratitude ....

god almighty

 

[Casually Red]

As usual you only see every event through a dissident prism. And because you think Adams is Satan you are hugging yourself in glee at his arrest and detention while entirely missing the bigger picture.

You say that actual amnesties are entirely different to the release of prisoners and attendant understandings under the GFA.

And if there was an 'actual amnesty' this time too and they reneged on it?

What then?

There you still are cheering them on presumably.

stop completely dodging the very clear and concise question i put to you in my post . Who are these dissidents that you spaketh of, at length, who have criticised the killing of Jean McConville ? You made a great big long post on this premise . Who and where are they ? When did they come out with this criticism ?

Youre entire theory hinges on this non existent fantasy. So who are they ? Wheres this condemnation youve been telling us about ?

 

[Joe Reilly]

stop completely dodging the very clear and concise question i put to you in my post . Who are these dissidents that you spaketh of, at length, who have criticised the killing of Jean McConville ? You made a great big long post on this premise . Who and where are they ? When did they come out with this criticism ?

Youre entire theory hinges on this non existent fantasy. So who are they ? Wheres this condemnation youve been telling us about ?

You pose me 'a clear and concise question' about something I didn't as much as imply. Well done.

My sole point of emphasis was that the dissidents see the arrest of Adams as a good thing.

 

[Casually Red]

There you still are cheering them on presumably.

no, cheering them on would be doing what Martin McGuinness does when republican volunteers are captured by the occupation forces. Publicly congratulating the British forces in the media for a job well done and putting these criminals and traitors to Ireland behind bars for a very long time. Thats what cheering the PSNI on involves.

Me taking the position that a willing collaborator has become of no further use to the very forces he was legitimising and recruiting for, and therefore isnt deserving of a single ounce of my sympathy is a very different matter. I plainly havent congratulated the PSNI. I plainly havent commended their due diligence in upholding the law. Indeed their pretty disgraceful treatment of my own immediate family, only one of whom is even a republican, in very recent times and their ongoing harassment of my immediate family makes such a suggestion preposterous. But when I see those who have cheered that on now crying foul when it comes to their door my reaction certainly isnt going to be a sympathetic one.

My position is simple. Theres no good PSNI, theres no dark PSNI, no mythical bad apples . Theres just the PSNI. I dont cheer on the mythical good apples and condemn the mythical bad apples as a political con trick. I regard those who collaborate with them as collaborators . And dont even bother to play the smallest violin in the world when one runs foul of the rotten colonial state and rotten colonial system hes been upholding for many years now. Any more than I would if the HET pulled in Fred Scappittici or Sean OCallaghan for stuff they did in the past .

My position is the PSNI and those who run them shouldnt be there in the first place and that theyve no legitimacy that gives them the right arrest Gerry Adams in the first place. Gerry Adams has conceded they do have a legitimate right to be there, but just arent allowed to arrest him. Thats not a position I can support or have an ounce of sympathy for. And thats the bigger picture.