General Election 2015 - chat, predictions, results and post election discussion

[Fez909]

...and again today. If only those Labour plotters had managed to keep the GE secret.

This is gonna end up all GoT soon, warring factions and completing claims to the title. Ned Milliband, King in the North and Salmond is the King Beyond the Wall. Hopefully Cameron gets his face ripped off by a dragon.

 

[TheHoodedClaw]

Gus O'Donnell's got his ban hammer ready:

“I’ll be in London at various studios trying to ensure that those interpretations that come out of the exit poll at one minute past 10 are actually in line with what’s in the Cabinet Manual, and people aren’t saying: ‘Oh well, I think I’ve got a chance because I got this number of seats or whatever’.”

“One thing I should say about the cabinet manual. People keep saying it is my cabinet manual. It is the government’s Cabinet Manual. It is the cabinet’s Cabinet Manual in particular, and the preface is there signed by the prime minister, David Cameron.”

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...argest-party-does-not-automatically-become-pm

Hopefully the word of GOD carries some weight here.

 

[Quartz]

Hopefully Cameron gets his face ripped off by a dragon.

Brenda?

 

[King Biscuit Time]

that's not what it's saying tho. They're asking todays DK's how they voted in 2010, and assuming that they (or rather, a significant proportion of them) will go back to how they voted before. I did suspect that a lot of them know full well how they are going to vote, but are embarrassed to say so.

Hopefully, I'm talking utter bollocks tho.

Yeah sorry - you're right - it's assuming 2015's DKs vote for who they claim to have voted for last time. Not even sure who the DKs would be here. Diehard Clegg haters would know I suppose.

Regarding Clegg and Farage - there's an interesting market on William Hill (and elsewhere I suppose) on the next party leader to announce he is standing down.

Clegg - Evs
Cameron - 3/1
Farage - 4/1
Milliband - 5/1

That's a pretty good price for Farage isn't it? Given that Thanet isn't nailed on. Even if he loses SH - Clegg wouldn't announce he's standing down until Friday would he?

 

[JTG]

Hartlepool United have basically come out for Tories/UKIP

http://www.hartlepoolunited.co.uk//news/article/dont-forget-to-vote-on-thursday-2444381.aspx

 

[Dogsauce]

Hartlepool United have basically come out for Tories/UKIP

http://www.hartlepoolunited.co.uk//news/article/dont-forget-to-vote-on-thursday-2444381.aspx

I presume the dig they're having at the Labour MP is to do with Ched Evans. No contrition then, the dicks.

 

[ViolentPanda]

the dead will lie unburied in the street

Dogs will have sex with cats in the street, and evangelical Christians will develop a sense of self-effacement that will prevent them testifying unto me.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Apparently a Times journalist interviewed on the wireless has just said "Everybody is waiting on the result of the election before they commit to buying a house because of the prospect of a mansion tax".

Everybody?!!

It's well-known that when the pustulent buboes on humanity known as "journalists" say "everyone", they mean "all the chaps I was at (insert name of public school) with, and all the chaps and chappesses I was at Oxbridge with". Us "lower orders don't exist.

 

[ViolentPanda]

What fucking planet do some of these cunts live on?

Mongo.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Doesn't the Telegraph pride itself on being a highbrow paper?

btw, the image, they are not members of the public, they are labour students, this elections seems to be one of the most controlled for a long time.

The Telegraph ceased to be a "highbrow" paper in anyone's perception when Charles Moore left. Since then they tend to seek the lowest common denominator on every story they actually publish, while avoiding publishing anything controversial about their advertisers.

 

[newharper]

Apparently a Times journalist interviewed on the wireless has just said "Everybody is waiting on the result of the election before they commit to buying a house because of the prospect of a mansion tax".

Everybody?!!

You expect a Murdoch employee to voice an off message opinion? Not a good career move.

 

[bemused]

I listened to a Labour dude explain the Mansion Tax on LBC last night, it was comical. For a start they are using 15 year old valuations and when asked how they avoid taxing people who happen to live in a house worth £2 million put aren't a millionaires they said anyone earning below £32k could pay it when they either died or when they sold it - so good news if you earn £30k you're almost classed as super rich. It also accounts for less than 1% of their spending pledges.

Vince Cables idea seemed a lot more sensible in what the tax goes up the more the house is worth, so if you live in a £50m house you pay more, the only objection the Labour Party seemed to have with that scheme is that they didn't think of it first.

If you are going to tax million pound houses it does make sense do it more progressively as the LibDems suggest, that at least sounds like it's workable to some extent.

I'm never going to live in a house that expensive so don't really care either way. But, the whole policy shows the bullshit approach all these partys take when coming up with policies - make is sound good and hope people don't look closer. Cameron is the same with his promise to pass a law saying he won't put up some taxes. Wankers all.

 

[brogdale]

Late numbers not great reading for the vermin...

 

[Kaka Tim]

Not sure i can take the next 24 hours - the stress is going to kill me.
Im shitting myself about the exit poll - its usually an accurate indicator of whats going to happen (i think it was spot on in 2010) - if it shows a 2-3% tory lead it could be a long and depressing night.


The polls look like cameron is out - but .... but ....

 

[Quartz]

But, the whole policy shows the bullshit approach all these partys take when coming up with policies - make is sound good and hope people don't look closer. Cameron is the same with his promise to pass a law saying he won't put up some taxes. Wankers all.

Spot on.

 

[mk12]

A 2-3% Tory lead wouldn't give them a majority though (would it?). Who would they be able to form a coalition with?

 

[Fez909]

I hope Labour don't get a majority, or even the most seats, but still form a coalition government. The frothing will be so sweet.

 

[Kaka Tim]

A 2-3% Tory lead wouldn't give them a majority though (would it?). Who would they be able to form a coalition with?

No - but it could be enough to team up with the lib dems do the coalition again.

Trying to be look at all the info objectively, im pretty sure the tories will be out of power.
But if labour have more than 15 seats less than the tories, they are going to get some serious shit from the r/wing media and the tories about the 'legitimacy' of their government. Seamus milnes looks at that here - http://www.theguardian.com/commenti...macy-democratic-ed-miliband-government-labour

If Cameron fails to form a government, the political and media establishment will pull out every stop to prevent Miliband becoming prime minister. It won’t just be a wall of noise about “legitimacy” and chaos. Already some rightwing Labour figures are being primed to try a mini-coup of their own, echoing the Tory claim that the second largest party shouldn’t lead a government. If Cameron and Clegg come close to a majority, a handful of Labour defections could even take them over the line.

The bit in bold italics sent a shiver down my spine.

IT could all get very messy.

Im hopeful that labour could get more seats than the tories - and there is decent chance of that - the more recent polls have converged around a dead heat - from a position where some polls were putting the tories a few points ahead, so the direction towards labour. Also there is evidence that the 'dont knows' are breaking more towards labour.

 

[Jeff Robinson]

A friend of mine who's a nurse just posted this on Facebook:

Today I had to apologise to one of the politest, sweetest, and quietest labouring mothers that I have ever met.

She had been contracting for over 24h and I was not able to put in an epidural for her due to a shortage of midwives.

This government (and the rightwing press) has hacked away at NHS staff, pay and morale;
and they have cut 6,000 nursing and midwifery posts in 4 years.

I walked out of that room and felt crushed to pieces in a thousand different ways.

Tomorrow is not just about who you want to vote for, it is who you don't want to vote for; and shame on those who wilfully opt out of voting or spoiling

To everyone else, thank you, and please help

GET THE CUNTS OUT

 

[treelover]

The Labour Party should enter into a coalition with the Liberal Democrats so that Labour can rein in the worst excesses of the Liberal Democrats.

posted elsewhere

 

[treelover]

bit of hubris there, photo-shop,

I remember 92.

 

[treelover]

the 'corrosive and sexist campaign' to dump McV - http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/general-election-2015/11584479/Esther-McVey-The-girls-leafleting-for-me-must-be-thinking-Would-I-want-this-abuse.html

thanks

 

[redsquirrel]

No - but it could be enough to team up with the lib dems do the coalition again.

Trying to be look at all the info objectively, im pretty sure the tories will be out of power.
But if labour have more than 15 seats less than the tories, they are going to get some serious shit from the r/wing media and the tories about the 'legitimacy' of their government. Seamus milnes looks at that here - http://www.theguardian.com/commenti...macy-democratic-ed-miliband-government-labour

Those r/w Labour pricks would fucking love a Lib-Lab minority coalition, the vermin. Too fucking blinkered to see that that would damn them even more north of the border and only help the Greens.

 

[treelover]

Hopefully at least one of these will have no seat on Friday and both out of Govt.

 

[treelover]

And his brother is "head of European Operations at the bond and investment firm PIMCO". That's handy.

Pimco reported a massive loss recently

 

[treelover]

If Clegg survives he'll be a continuing liability to the lib dems. I'm surprised pragmatic lib dem supporters aren't voting against him in his own constituency for the sake of the party.

What about Cable, tuition fees and Post Office privatisation.

 

[coley]

I wonder whether this time again we'll have many people when asked by pollsters how they're going to vote saying 'Labour', going into the polling booth and ticking 'Conservative', then coming out and when asked how they voted saying 'Labour'.

As I think happened in a fairly recent referendum

 

[treelover]

Please Guardian forgive me for entering a comment that has nothing to do with this subject (or has it?). I am a Daily Telegraph commenter and I pay for that privilege. For the last few days I find that I have not been allowed to comment an anything to do with the General Election although other subjects have been allowed comments from me. I can still comment on sports, cultural activities but not politics. Now I feel that I am not the only one subject to this centure. I think all those commenters whose views are to the left have deliberately been excluded from airing their views. I have made the point quite frequently
in my comments that the owners of DT, the Barclay brothers, live on a very small channel island and therefore, quite legimately, do not pay UK tax on the profits made by the sale of the Daily Telegraph to UK citizens and of course the advertising revenue. Quite legitimate
and quite immoral. It's the truth and the truth hurts.

Interesting comment on CIF if true.

 

[DownwardDog]

Hartlepool United have basically come out for Tories/UKIP

http://www.hartlepoolunited.co.uk//news/article/dont-forget-to-vote-on-thursday-2444381.aspx

Even Peter Mandelson knew it was important to pretend to support Hartlepool Utd when he was MP. He once lied in an interview that if his house was on fire and he could only save one thing it would be his Hartlepool Utd scarf.

Labour are also feeling the effects of scandal prone and incompetent Labour council in the town. The mayor and leader of the council both binned their wives to enter into a civil partnership with each other which has raised greying eyebrows among the more socially conservative Labour voters.

 

[belboid]

Yeah sorry - you're right - it's assuming 2015's DKs vote for who they claim to have voted for last time. Not even sure who the DKs would be here. Diehard Clegg haters would know I suppose.

Regarding Clegg and Farage - there's an interesting market on William Hill (and elsewhere I suppose) on the next party leader to announce he is standing down.

Clegg - Evs
Cameron - 3/1
Farage - 4/1
Milliband - 5/1

That's a pretty good price for Farage isn't it? Given that Thanet isn't nailed on. Even if he loses SH - Clegg wouldn't announce he's standing down until Friday would he?

That seems ludicrously good. Gotta be worth a go