General Election 2015 - chat, predictions, results and post election discussion

[redsquirrel]

Johnson.

True, sorry.

 

[danny la rouge]

I don't think they intend to prop it up. Sturgeon has made clear that they'll offer Lab 'confidence' (QS) and thereafter support(or not) on a case-by-case basis with no formalised agreement, let alone coalition. Sturgeon has said all this knowing that Lab will keep the nukes.

Exactly. The SNP don't want coalition. They want a vote by vote arrangement. And Labour doesn't need the SNP to support a Trident replacement: there is enough support in the House for that without the SNP.

 

[belboid]

More likely that they would preserve their principled stance and let Lab take the rap for nukes. Not much logic to put an administration in place only to then immediately bring it down. Nonsense.

Absolutely. It will give them a further stick to beat Labour with, and thus hold onto the seats they've just won

 

[belboid]

As long as Trident gets moved from Scotland,

there's not really anywhere else it can go, though. Supposedly

 

[weepiper]

there's not really anywhere else it can go, though. Supposedly

That's not an argument for keeping it where it is. It can't 'really' go here anymore either.

 

[belboid]

That's not an argument for keeping it where it is. It can't 'really' go here anymore either.

oh hell no. But it does mean its getting rid of it entirely, or nothing. They cant just move it to Milford Sound

 

[danny la rouge]

oh hell no. But it does mean its getting rid of it entirely, or nothing. They cant just move it to Milford Sound

I want to say entirely.

 

[Quartz]

there's not really anywhere else it can go, though. Supposedly

There are plenty of places along the south coast. Indeed there are already a couple of naval bases.

 

[danny la rouge]

There are plenty of places along the south coast. Indeed there are already a couple of naval bases.

The MOD is apparently considering Gibraltar.

The difficulties of relocating Trident are discussed in the report from CND: http://www.banthebomb.org/images/stories/pdfs/noplacefortrident.pdf (PDF).

 

[Quartz]

The MOD is apparently considering Gibraltar.

The difficulties of relocating Trident are discussed in the report from CND: http://www.banthebomb.org/images/stories/pdfs/noplacefortrident.pdf (PDF).

That's a bit one-sided - as you would expect, given the source. The problems it states with relocation in England are in part political, not technical. That they don't want the base within a certain distance of people will likely have to be sacrificed. They're considering that for Gibraltar, after all.

 

[peterkro]

They cant just move it to Milford Sound

They certainly can't being as it's a world heritage site in a national park in a independent country with a long standing no nukes policy.(US warships are unable to visit NZ because they won't say which ones have nukes on them)

E2a,possibly you where referring to Milford Haven after which Milford Sound is named.

 

[Artaxerxes]

That's a bit one-sided - as you would expect, given the source. The problems it states with relocation in England are in part political, not technical. That they don't want the base within a certain distance of people will likely have to be sacrificed. They're considering that for Gibraltar, after all.

What if we bung it in the Falklands? Not like anyone really gives a fuck about there aside from a few mental Argies.

 

[danny la rouge]

That's a bit one-sided

It's not something I'm prepared to be neutral about.

 

[DownwardDog]

And Labour doesn't need the SNP to support a Trident replacement: there is enough support in the House for that without the SNP.

Is there? We Conservatives are nothing if not pragmatic and ethically flexible. I'm sure some excuse to vote against it could be manufactured if it meant inflicting a scalding defeat on Ed M.

 

[belboid]

Is there? We Conservatives are nothing if not utterly stupid and unprincipledly flexible. I'm sure some excuse to vote against it could be manufactured if it meant inflicting a scalding defeat on Ed M. by shooting ourselves in the foot

corrected for you

 

[brogdale]

Is there? We Conservatives are nothing if not pragmatic and ethically flexible. I'm sure some excuse to vote against it could be manufactured if it meant inflicting a scalding defeat on Ed M.

Ideological and doctrinal neo-liberals find it convenient to hide behind the false facade of 'pragmatism'. Anyway, this is not an issue over which the deep state will permit the party to play politics.

 

[danny la rouge]

Is there? We Conservatives are nothing if not pragmatic and ethically flexible. I'm sure some excuse to vote against it could be manufactured if it meant inflicting a scalding defeat on Ed M.

What is it with people and daft half-baked theories on this thread? It's as if the novelty of hung parliaments has turned people's brains to blancmange.

 

[Pickman's model]

What is it with people and daft half-baked theories on this thread? It's as if the novelty of hung parliaments has turned people's brains to blancmange.

this is a novelty

 

[belboid]

They certainly can't being as it's a world heritage site in a national park in a independent country with a long standing no nukes policy.(US warships are unable to visit NZ because they won't say which ones have nukes on them)

E2a,possibly you where referring to Milford Haven after which Milford Sound is named.

ahem.....maaaaaaaaybe

 

[Spanky Longhorn]

The MOD is apparently considering Gibraltar.

that would go well

 

[danny la rouge]

that would go well

Indeed. It's bizarre.

 

[belboid]

http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-e...i-like-nigel-farage-a-great-deal-8446651.html

Utter, utter cunt. Which we always knew, of course

 

[redsquirrel]

http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-e...i-like-nigel-farage-a-great-deal-8446651.html

Utter, utter cunt. Which we always knew, of course

Cue some die-hards trying to defend the twat.

 

[Spanky Longhorn]

I've always hated Morrissey can I just say that? Stupid warbly voiced cunt. Ruined Johnny Marr's music.

 

[danny la rouge]

Two vermin and a funeral:

 

[Wilf]

Two vermin and a funeral:

He must be hoping some of Alexander's glamour rubs off on him.

 

[treelover]

News
London's social cleansing shame: How 50,000 families were silently shipped out of the capital

Councils are currently moving homeless mothers and children out of their boroughs at a rate of close to 500 families a week

http://www.independent.co.uk/

Incredible, revealing, and shaming that this isn't an election issue

 

[treelover]

The spike coincides with the Coalition’s introduction of the benefit cap and “bedroom tax”, both of which have made it significantly harder for poor people to afford housing in London. In 2010, the Mayor of London, Boris Johnson, vowed that the controversial welfare reforms would not lead to “Kosovo-style social cleansing”, pledging: “You are not going to see thousands of families evicted from the place where they have been living.”

Got that wrong didn't he?

 

[skyscraper101]

anything worth reading into this? It's on sky news so I'm naturally

an Ipsos MORI poll suggests the Conservatives have taken a five-point lead ahead of Labour

 

[Lo Siento.]

anything worth reading into this? It's on sky news so I'm naturally

an Ipsos MORI poll suggests the Conservatives have taken a five-point lead ahead of Labour

Probably not: