General Election 2015 - chat, predictions, results and post election discussion

[belboid]

I really dont think that having CCTV cameras in abattoirs amounts to being stasi-lite. Nor that the majority of his left reformist idea's do so either. That's just a cheap shot. He's just a bog standard labourite, espousing bog standard left labour views.

 

[belboid]

Apologies I did use his party affiliation as a chance to have a cheap shot.

However, my main point is that CCTV is a potentially dangerous, necessarily partial and individualising solution (it makes us be our own police) to problems that are socially produced and to which we should be looking for similarly social answers.

Cheers - Louis MacNeice

I largely agree - tho to some extent, we should be our own police. Better than the bosses or the actual police doing it. Is it 'the' answer? no, of course not. might it ever bed of any use? Well, yes, in certain clearly defined and limited circumstances. Including, maybe, even abattoirs. I'm not wholly convinced, but it's hardly the first step to fascism.

 

[killer b]

I thought you were concerned this was driving people away from the thread?

 

[marty21]

A lot of people at work do the polling station/count thing - 16 hours at a polling station (from about 6am-10pm) for £245, but you do get a day off as well so works out as not a bad touch. I've never bothered doing it, one work-mate is a presiding officer this time, you get paid more (maybe £400 for the day) but he is having a nightmare at the moment as one of the polling clerks assigned to him is in his words ,

'a big fucking wanker, it would be ok if he was a big fucking wanker on Wednesday and Friday but I know he's going to big a big fucking wanker on Thursday as well'

a nice end to the story though, he just got assigned to another polling station, so the big fucking wanker is now someone else's problem

 

[DotCommunist]

245 notes! No wonder that bald bloke is at every fucking count, he must be topping up his pension!

 

[skyscraper101]

Yeah.. I'd take the day off work for that. Especially the polling station lark. Bit of people watching and sipping coffee all day. Piece of piss.

I've DJ'd six hour sets for less money per hour.

 

[cantsin]

anyone see Adam Clifford repping Class War on BBC Daily Politics ? Ridiculously laid back, dressed up to the nines, talked calm sense ( abolish pub schools / general class war ) , confused Stanley 'fuckwit' Johnson with his drag get up, all round fabulousness ...STRONG

 

[littlebabyjesus]

245 notes! No wonder that bald bloke is at every fucking count, he must be topping up his pension!

It's a bit of a perk for underpaid council workers, though, too, isn't it.

 

[belboid]

I thought you were concerned this was driving people away from the thread?

curse you and your faultless logic!

 

[marty21]

It's a bit of a perk for underpaid council workers, though, too, isn't it.

yep, loads of people do it, I always forget to apply and only remember when everyone starts talking about what polling station they are at.

One workmate did the Polling station and the count, she was up for nearly 24 hours due to recounts

 

[articul8]

curse you and your faultless logic!

anyway surely we can all agree that of all the "demands" on that bizarre leaflet, CCTV in slaughterhouses wasn't the most objectionable?

 

[Dogsauce]

I imagine doing the polling station in the locals, particularly round my way where about 15% come out, is a pretty easy task. It's usually people I know from local voluntary stuff I'm involved with doing it.

 

[JimW]

anyone see Adam Clifford repping Class War on BBC Daily Politics ? Ridiculously laid back, dressed up to the nines, talked calm sense ( abolish pub schools / general class war ) , confused Stanley 'fuckwit' Johnson with his drag get up, all round fabulousness ...STRONG

Cheers for the tip, was out but found the clip posted on the BBC website. he does OK: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2015-32497600

 

[ViolentPanda]

You have quite a top-down authoritarian streak, don't you?

Like I keep on saying (and he keeps denying), he's a Fabian.

 

[ViolentPanda]

There's a vast difference between detailed records of people's identity/communications/history and the retention of CCTV footage of slaughter procedures.

Not so much as you might assume. Intelligence is/should be about gathering data from disparate sources in order to build an informed picture of that person. CCTV footage from work would be an additional input to work with.

 

[killer b]

Has this been done yet?

Apparently he was there to record an interview for brand's youtube show the trews. Good move if he's played it right - we'll find out tonight.

 

[ViolentPanda]

One of the ironies here is that a8 fancies himself as a philosophy student.

Philosophy graduate, surely?

 

[andysays]

He did no such thing. he pointed out that 'freedom' encompasses all sorts of things that are, generally, unsupported, thus pointing out the central contradiction of your post.

And so, yet another thread becomes (in essence) all about a8 being a shit, because a8 is in the labour party. A complete and utter waste of time, and liable to make people, except the few partaking, to go 'sod this'

It's not just because he's in the Labour party, it's also because he unfailingly comes out with the most nonsensical, serving of the status quo and/or reactionary shit which even a child of 12 could see through.

TBH, I'd rather everyone just ignored his nonsense rather than allow him to derail practically every thread he ever posts on, but unfortunately I doubt that will ever happen.

 

[killer b]

Were done now aren't we?

 

[JimW]

See we had a manifesto for education from the NUT along with Green, Labour and Tory leaflets delivered today. Flicked through and looked reasonable but must admit too lazy to read.

 

[DexterTCN]

the telegraph's tactical voting tool was tested today

http://wingsoverscotland.com/a-recurring-theme/

 

[Smokeandsteam]

Apparently he was there to record an interview for brand's youtube show the trews. Good move if he's played it right - we'll find out tonight.

According to the guardian "Brand is expected to offer his backing for Labour"

I await the return of the thread on Brand with interest so his fans can explain where the don't vote/revolution from below strategy he's been selling books on is now.

As for Miliband the clip on the guardian website has him claiming that a labour government can bring transnational capital to heel and make them pay tax in the UK.

Hard to work out who is most delusional or opportunistic.

 

[Wilf]

If he does endorse labour, or anything close to it, I can't see it being a positive (for either him or labour). already heard Cameron ranting on about it, though he sounded an even bigger knob doing that.

 

[Yata]

Trailer why not just release the whole thing unedited straight away?

 

[killer b]

If he does endorse labour, or anything close to it, I can't see it being a positive (for either him or labour). already heard Cameron ranting on about it, though he sounded an even bigger knob doing that.

He won't endorse Labour, not a chance.

Miliband talking about it here - looks like he's happy with it anyway...: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2015-32492591

 

[Kaka Tim]

Dunno - i think the brand thing could work well for milliband. Cameron huffing and puffing makes him look arrogant and stuck up (no-really!) - whilst Ed M can claim he is actually engaging with a wider electorate. Also - they only have to point out that Cameron hangs out with the likes of Katie Hopkins.

 

[redsquirrel]

Apparently he was there to record an interview for brand's youtube show the trews. Good move if he's played it right - we'll find out tonight.

Yeah, I agree.

I can't see Brand "endorsing" Labour but it's got Miliband and Labour at the top of the news and with Cameron's no show at the debates can be used to show that Miliband will "talk to anyone", unlike Cameron.

It obviously won't play well with certain people, but those are going to be the people that would never vote Labour anyway.

 

[killer b]

Everyone is going to watch it either way aren't they? The clip they've released looks to me like he took the right approach - reckon it's not going to do him any harm at all.

 

[tbtommyb]

Everyone is going to watch it either way aren't they? The clip they've released looks to me like he took the right approach - reckon it's not going to do him any harm at all.

mmm i guess it wouldn't work if he just tried to ape Brand but that clip doesn't inspire confidence. we'll see.

 

[brogdale]

Dunked in shit dodges an encounter with Lisa...what a colossal fucking coward.

Voters from Iain Duncan Smith’s constituency last night called for him to be sanctioned – with his MP’s salary suspended – for failing to show up at his local hustings.

Candidates from six other parties – Labour, Green, Lib Dem, Class War, TUSC and UKIP – managed to make the event at Woodford Memorial Hall. But the sitting MP failed to show up in his constituency of Chingford and Woodford Green in north London.

Organisers said he had been “called away to the north-west of the country” after a “late change to his schedule”.