General Election 2015 - chat, predictions, results and post election discussion

[frogwoman]

Tbh i reckon loads of strident members of lefty parties and career lefties secretly vote tory tbh.

 

[danny la rouge]

Her reasoning was that she didnt know anyone who had voted tory and reckoned that that many people couldnt have done it.

I feel her pain, I really do. We all looked at the results with a sense of disappointment at fellow humans.

 

[Lord Camomile]

Her reasoning was that she didnt know anyone who had voted tory and reckoned that that many people couldnt have done it.

Ironically the same lack of understanding of the wider populace that leads many people to vote Tory...

 

[J Ed]

Tbh i reckon loads of strident members of lefty parties and career lefties secretly vote tory tbh.

why?

 

[danny la rouge]

Tbh i reckon loads of strident members of lefty parties and career lefties secretly vote tory tbh.

We should denounce a few. I know who I suspect.

 

[danny la rouge]

why?

You've never suspected Galloway was special branch?

 

[treelover]

Vine video of protest, don't remember such an event in 2010.

 

[J Ed]

You've never suspected Galloway was special branch?

No, not really. Should I have?

 

[DotCommunist]

This is someone employed by the Labour Party, yes?

Wow.

i mentioned this to danny the other day- the reaction of the shady labour person who lost his bradford seat to galloway was the whole scots thing writ small- anger, disbelief and disdain. Not a single seconds reflection. He got done by Galloway. From the left of Labour. Of course they re-took it in the general but still, a stinger and no mistake.

 

[danny la rouge]

No, not really. Should I have?

My lawyer tells me to answer "no" to that one.

 

[treelover]

General Election 2015: Charlotte Church 'mad as hell' as she joins Cardiff protest following Conservative majority

• 15:05, 9 May 2015
• By Katie Sands

The Crazy Chick singer addressed crowds at an anti-austerity march in Cardiff after David Cameron's party romped to a majority at the polls

http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/w...harlotte-church-9223452#ICID=sharebar_twitter

Charlotte Church was on a anti-tory demo today in Wales, in full voice as well.

 

[frogwoman]

why?

I think a lot of them have material interests that are more aligned with the tories and don't believe any of the shit they write any more. Someone like eg alex callinicos for instance.

 

[D'wards]

The Tories winning the election means we are either collectively suffering from Stockholm Syndrome as a nation or simply a bunch of selfish cunts.
I fear its the latter.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

I think a lot of them have material interests that are more aligned with the tories and don't believe any of the shit they write any more. Someone like eg alex callinicos for instance.

srs point:

If you're a genuine socialist, then you don't think anyone's material interests are aligned with the tories, as you don't believe that one's own material interests can ever be separated from those of others.

Isn't that the point of being a socialist?

 

[frogwoman]

Also a lot of them have careers that depend on the fact there are tories and tory policies to write columns about.

 

[danny la rouge]

Labour spad on my facebook has been playing up how great the idea of founding the 'English Labour Party' would be, he makes nasty comments about Scottish people quite often and has done since I met him at uni

Here's a Labour supporter who seems to have lost the plot:

 

[Pickman's model]

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10100368331774718&set=p.10100368331774718&type=1&theater

what is that link and why should i click on it?

 

[J Ed]

Here's a Labour supporter who seems to have lost the plot:

Has to be one of sas' pseudonyms

 

[frogwoman]

srs point:

If you're a genuine socialist, then you don't think anyone's material interests are aligned with the tories, as you don't believe that one's own material interests can ever be separated from those of others.

Isn't that the point of being a socialist?

Well someone like that might see it in terms of voting in favour of their class interest.

 

[J Ed]

Also a lot of them have careers that depend on the fact there are tories and tory policies to write columns about.

I think that explains a lot of Rees' weird shit

Hail Putin + Khomeini + Sunni Islamists but only if they are in London otherwise march on you brave Hezbollah fighters!

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Well someone like that might see it in terms of voting in favour of their class interest.

ok, then they're just tories!

One of the (many) things I despair at with Labour is their utter failure to articulate the idea that a fairer society is better for all of us. There is another way to reach out to those swing voters.

 

[belboid]

Here's a Labour supporter who seems to have lost the plot:

I think she got some dreadful reviews for her last Edinburgh show, never got over it.

Labour down here (and Workers Power) are blaming the Greens for all the English losses

 

[treelover]

https://twitter.com/ColbyJS

Re: the demo at no 10, its all over social media, looks very big and mostly under 25, bit surprised really

what is that link and why should i click on it?

sorry, it should have embedded.

 

[TheHoodedClaw]

One of the endearing things about British democracy is that it's mostly run by old ladies and gentlemen of a certain gentle kind, it's resolutely no-tech, and you don't have to prove id, but fraud, though it surely happens, happens only on a small scale.

Yeah, I like that too. Even the pencil thing - there's nothing that can go wrong with a pencil that can't be fixed with a penknife, and no-one is going to nick a pencil.

 

[treelover]

The biggest failure of understanding is the most paradoxical. Labour and the left do not take the right seriously. They dismiss its leaders as greedy fat cats and public school toffs, and do not grasp how formidable they have become. A friend made the point when he told me that at 8.30am on Friday, when Ed Balls lost his seat, the trading floor at Credit Suisse at Canary Wharf erupted with cheers. I don’t doubt there were similar yelps of delight on every other trading floor in the City.

In other words, the power of one of the world’s great trading centres is behind the Tory party. The power is manifest not just in campaign donations, but in the arrogance of financial capitalists, who never allow any number of market failures to dent their self-confidence or the self-confidence of their political allies. If you are going to take them on, you need to be good. In fact, you need to be brilliant.

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/may/09/labour-left-miliband-hating-english

Nick Cohen on labour and the tories and the English, ,this part is very perceptive imo, I remember a small protest outside the education dept, the 14 year olds from St Pauls(or Westminster?) were shouting over, commies, and other comments, at that age they knew which side they were on.

 

[Greebo]

Yeah, I like that too. Even the pencil thing - there's nothing that can go wrong with a pencil that can't be fixed with a penknife, and no-one is going to nick a pencil.

One FB person said that they'd been told that the polling station pencils aren't ordinary lead (graphite) but a special type of grease pencil which is difficult to erase without leaving a telltale mark. Er, no, that's just a softish lead pencil - HB or B.

 

[DotCommunist]

,aybe in 20 years well have moved on to those little minipens you get in the shop for doing the lottery

 

[littlebabyjesus]

,aybe in 20 years well have moved on to those little minipens you get in the shop for doing the lottery

Nasa spacepens.

 

[DotCommunist]

[insert apocryphal soviet space pencil story here]

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Nick Cohen on labour and the tories and the English, ,this part is very perceptive imo, I remember a small protest outside the education dept, the 14 year olds from St Pauls(or Westminster?) were shouting over, commies, and other comments, at that age they knew which side they were on.

He has a good point. I wonder, if you were to strip all the financial sector workers and their families from the vote in SE England, how many areas would turn red. Fuckers are the main reason SE England outside central London is so blue.