General Election 2015 - chat, predictions, results and post election discussion

[frogwoman]

Your mate is right though. I voted TUSC just out a long dwindling allegiance to aspects of trot politics, but its another failure in a quite tragic history of failure. The landscape has changed and the trots are so up their own arses they can't see it.

One bright spot was in Belfast west with PBP getting 19% of the vote.

I know shes right.

 

[brogdale]

I think my lack of sleep is cutting in now...not feeling massively chipper about much...and a little phrase keeps on nagging at the back of my mind...

five more years

..and with it I'm getting flash-backs of vermin conferences of the 1980s with the adoring party bods belting it out like they're on the Zeppelin field parade ground.

Apols....tired and grouchy.

bishop's needed

 

[ViolentPanda]

The problem is people don't vote for anarchists or anarchism. Not because they are stupid or brainwashed, but because they don't want to. What should anarchists do to overcome their total irrelevance to the overwhelming majority of people?

Which misses the point (quite spectacularly!) that Class War didn't stand in those constituencies to win votes, they stood in order to get good publicity for issues.
BTW, anarchism isn't about appealing to a majority - it's rarely party-political. It's about people coming together in their communities for their communities. Bottom-up, not top-down.

 

[Sprocket.]

Am I being cynical in expecting Clegg getting a cushy cushion in the House of Lords for services to the nation ie (holding the homeless whilst they get kicked) from his Tory best buds?

 

[Pickman's model]

I think my lack of sleep is cutting in now...not feeling massively chipper about much...and a little phrase keeps on nagging at the back of my mind...

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..and with it I'm getting flash-backs of vermin conferences of the 1980s with the adoring party bods belting it out like they're on the Zeppelin field parade ground.

Apols....tired and grouchy.

bishop's needed

when will we get time off for good behaviour?

 

[ViolentPanda]

What the fuck are you on about? They'll replace him, probably with someone less obviously wanky.

3.5 million people have just voted for them but they're "nothing" without Farage?

Do us a favour.

Editor has a point, insofar as Farage was/is a figurehead behind which a lot of disparate politics could be brought together. I'm not sure that any of the former Tories or professional gobshites who make up UKIP's "officer class" have the ability to unite the factions like that.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Had you heard of Farage before he became leader in 2006?

I had, but then I'm a spod where politics is concerned.

 

[prunus]

They obviously underestimated the popularity of alcohol.

Or the appeal of danger?

 

[ViolentPanda]

Milliband giving it large about Labour being the party for social justice - what transparent bollocks. I've still got the poxy HoC headed notepaper with Fitzpatrick refusing to do anything about IDS's retrospective workfare legislation.

I can't think of a single noteworthy thing that Milliband has done. I'll remember his tenure as being a bland 5 years of doing nothing. He didn't even get round to the policies review he promised.

Sadly, there wasn't a single other contestant (perhaps bar Abbott) that would have done anything differently. They'd all, in spite of their protestations of political dynamism, have trod exactly the same cautious,Mammon-fellating path.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Oh in that case, UKIP must be simply stuffed full of articulate and intelligent new leaders ready to lead them on to VICTORY.

One of two things will happen:
1) There'll be civil war between the UKIP honchos such as Carswell, Akers and Nuttall, and the party will be reduced to a handful of non-cooperating ineffective rumps, or
2) They'll have already formulated some kind of succession plan that utilises the various UKIP supporters as a form of pressure group a la The Cuntyside Alliance, and will continue using their core demographic to fight local and by-elections.

 

[Louis MacNeice]

So if the English, Scottish and Welsh seats were distributed proportionately, nation by nation, the results wold be as follows:

Note: the first column is England , the second Scotland and the third Wales. The figures in brackets are the actual seats won.

Con: - 218 (319), 9 (1), 11 (11) tot: 238 (331)
Lab: - 168 (206), 14 (1), 15, (25) tot: 197 (232)
LD: - 44 (6), 4 (1), 3 (1) tot: 51 (8)
Ukip: - 75 (1), 1 (0), 5 (0) tot: 81 (1)
Green: - 22 (1), 1 (0), 1 (0) tot: 24 (1)
SNP: - 0 (0), 30 (56), 0 (0) tot: 30 (56)
PC: - 0 (0), 0 (0), 5 (3) tot: 5 (3)

Cheers - Louis MacNeice

 

[ViolentPanda]

These cunts are a serious political party now with genuine support. They'll find another "charismatic" leader. They are by no means 'nothing without Farage'. Don't be daft.

TBF, there's no fucker currently in their ranks who could be called "charismatic" by any stretch of the imagination.

 

[1%er]

What is the size of the eurosceptic block with-in the Tory party after this election?

 

[ViolentPanda]

jesus fuckj the vermin took Corby as well. #Where is my god now?

Dead, like all of them.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Well his deputy is Paul Nuttal but that's not the point. You had never heard of Farage before he founded UKIP had you?

The fact is that UKIP have made huge voting gains and anyone who dismisses them as 'nothing without Farage', is an idiot.

We'll see. I would definitely contend that they would not have done what they've just done without Farage. And as far as the vast majority of people are concerned, UKIP is Farage. I doubt many people outside of hard-core supporters or political saddoes like us on here could name a single other. Perhaps 'that Tory changeling with the weird eyes'.

Farage was extremely effective and energetic. Perhaps they will find someone else who can be effective, but I don't think it's a given, and if there is some kind of in/out referendum on the EU (which I suspect would vote 'in' by a bit of a margin) then UKIP may be seen as an irrelevance at the next election, campaigning on the basis of something that everyone knows won't happen.

 

[DotCommunist]

Dead, like all of them.

and we have killed them, what sacred games will we have to invent, what water can wash this blood off our hands? all that was mightiest etc etc

 

[brogdale]

JFI....UKIP share of the popular vote = 42% of Labour.

 

[butchersapron]

We'll see. I would definitely contend that they would not have done what they've just done without Farage. And as far as the vast majority of people are concerned, UKIP is Farage. I doubt many people outside of hard-core supporters or political saddoes like us on here could name a single other. Perhaps 'that Tory changeling with the weird eyes'.

Farage was extremely effective and energetic. Perhaps they will find someone else who can be effective, but I don't think it's a given, and if there is some kind of in/out referendum on the EU (which I suspect would vote 'in' by a bit of a margin) then UKIP may be seen as an irrelevance at the next election, campaigning on the basis of something that everyone knows won't happen.

Farage has hinted at standing for election after a holiday - do you really think he won't be jumping at it with a 2017 referendum on the horizon ? He's going into that leading that party.

 

[elbows]

Yeah, that sounds right ordinary.

His record is two elections fought as leader:

1) Fewer MP's
2) Party destroyed.

3) Electoral reform referendum botched and failed.

 

[ViolentPanda]

I was just starting to think along those lines. Let's hope there are quite a few bastards on Cameron's back benches.

Remember Major, '92-'97? It'll be like that, but far more publicised, and far more bloody.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Farage has hinted at stabding for election - do you really think he won't be jumping at it with a 2017 referendum? He's going into that leading that party.

I suspect you're right. Certainly he's the only one who's resigned today who didn't have to resign.

 

[butchersapron]

3) Electoral reform referendum botched and failed.

Sure - but that was just meant to be results of election #1 and #2 as leader on the party rather than his many wider failures/destructions.

 

[brogdale]

Remember Major, '92-'97? It'll be like that, but far more publicised, and far more bloody.

Cameron will deeply regret being boxed into such a tight timetable for the Brexit ref. The 'bastards' will keep their heads down until that's done and dusted.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Remember Major, '92-'97? It'll be like that, but far more publicised, and far more bloody.

And remember all the damage the Major govt did with its shitcunt policies.

 

[Roadkill]

Remember Major, '92-'97? It'll be like that, but far more publicised, and far more bloody.

Let's hope so. Some nice juicy affairs and cash-for-favours/access/blowjobs scandals would complete the feeling of being back in the mid-90s.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Farage has hinted at standing for election after a holiday .

I didn't realise this bit, tbh. OK, so he's having a bit of a break, that's all.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Let's hope so. Some nice juicy affairs and cash-for-favours/access/blowjobs scandals would complete the feeling of being back in the mid-90s.

Rail's been privatised already. What's left to fuck up now... I fear for the NHS, first up.

 

[elbows]

we're definitely not going to win in Leeds West so that'd be a waste of a vote.

We don't have a councillor, but we were close to one in Headingley last year before the Green Surge in support.

If we win or not depends on how much the lib dem vote collapses, how much the labour campaign fails to inspire people to vote for them, and how much we inspire people to vote for us.

But it's among the most likely seats in the country to turn Green, and the candidate's a good candidate with decent politics, so worth going for it IMO.

Oh what a shock, this turned out to be bollocks.

In fact, the seat you said would be a waste of a vote got 8.37% green compared to your seat's 7% green.

 

[golightly]

Let's hope so. Some nice juicy affairs and cash-for-favours/access/blowjobs scandals would complete the feeling of being back in the mid-90s.

Traffic cones.

 

[brogdale]

Rail's been privatised already. What's left to fuck up now... I fear for the NHS, first up.

You forgotten already. They're going to privatise housing association stock.