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Reading this makes me realise that what I said was a bit selfish on giving national blame. Suppose it's just the anger getting to me, as it probably has for everyone.

Fuck the Tory voters for leading us to oblivion for the next 5 years.
TBH I probably was a bit too strong, apols for the FU.

But I think it's so important that those with left/progressive/working class/socialist/whatever politics don't fall into that trap of blaming people for being too stupid to see the light.

If we do that then the Tories (of all colours) have won. And if your feeling shit just remind yourself in the end we, labour (small l obviously), will win, we cannot not win.:)
 
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Sorry if any of this is incomprehensible bollocks but I've been up all night and I am posting from my phone which I struggle with at the best of times.

Yes I am fucked of that the Tories have won but I am trying to be philosophical about it. I was quite excited in the run up to this election as it looked like all three of the main parties were losing it. I did not want Labour to win the election, I wanted the conservatives to lose. I maintain that there is a distinction between the two.

OK so it hasn't quite worked out like that as it looks like the scum have just about scrapped a win. But I have got a lot of joy from waving the lib dem colapse, I epically liked watching Cable go. Yes we face more years of austerity but that was true whatever the result of the election. There was not a choice between austerity or no austerity, just between two different plans for austerity, and while the Tories may be stronger the government is weaker. A weak tory government may even be preferable to a strong Labour one. (cluching at straws?)

I conservative win may look like a vote for austerity, and it is true that one reason I would have preferred a Labour win is that, whatever the reality in practice, on some level it could be seen as a rejection of the austerity project. But the tory vote was around 35% of a 65% turnout, I am too tired to do the math, that's what, 20 odd percent of the electorate? Hardly a ringing endorsement. Once again the single largest vote was for no one. The real story of this election is the continued collapse of the mainstream.
 
Sorry if any of this is incomprehensible bollocks but I've been up all night and I am posting from my phone which I struggle with at the best of times.

Yes I am fucked of that the Tories have won but I am trying to be philosophical about it. I was quite excited in the run up to this election as it looked like all three of the main parties were losing it. I did not want Labour to win the election, I wanted the conservatives to lose. I maintain that there is a distinction between the two.

OK so it hasn't quite worked out like that as it looks like the scum have just about scrapped a win. But I have got a lot of joy from waving the lib dem colapse, I epically liked watching Cable go. Yes we face more years of austerity but that was true whatever the result of the election. There was not a choice between austerity or no austerity, just between two different plans for austerity, and while the Tories may be stronger the government is weaker. A weak tory government may even be preferable to a strong Labour one. (cluching at straws?)

I conservative win may look like a vote for austerity, and it is true that one reason I would have preferred a Labour win is that, whatever the reality in practice, on some level it could be seen as a rejection of the austerity project. But the tory vote was around 35% of a 65% turnout, I am too tired to do the math, that's what, 20 odd percent of the electorate? Hardly a ringing endorsement. Once again the single largest vote was for no one. The real story of this election is the continued collapse of the mainstream.
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No fuck you! Those on benefits don't deserve to be hounded more, those on the minimum wage don't deserve tosee their rate of living go down even further, those in unions face don't deserve even more challenges to the work they do, single parents don't deserve to be forced away from looking after their kids to work at poorly paid jobs etc

How dare you! This is precisely the crap I was talking about. If you believe this then you're part of the problem, on their side and no comrade of mine.
You're absolutely right, of course - those people deserve solidarity, not anger (except those from the groups above who voted Tory or UKIP - and there would a few).

The problem is, that even amongst Labour voters, there's a large number who would position the party further right than they are, who have no real desire to tackle the fundamental problems faced by society (such as unsustainable economic policy, pandering to multinationals and banks, signing up to things like the TTIP, PPIs, etc. etc.). So if you lump them in with the Tory, UKIP and LibDem voters, you're probably looking at about 75% of the English population who would collectively vote either for the status quo or a move further to the right. I think it's perfectly reasonable to say to them, "you reap what you sow".

I voted Green this election. I thought about a "tactical" vote for Labour, but it wouldn't have made a shred of difference in the end, and I'm glad with my choice. I won't be voting tactically again - all my life I've been forced into doing that, and I'm done. Labour *might* have got a tactical vote from me this time if they'd made a referendum on PR voting a mainstay of their campaign. They didn't, despite standing side by side with the Tories to defeat the AV referendum, justifying their stance with statements that AV didn't go far enough and they would bring in PR. Bullshit. They had years in power to do that, had no intention then and have none now.
 
There are people saying they are leaving the country now. Twats.
Why? Have you thought about people who don't necessarily owe their allegiance to the UK? Citizens of other countries, people married to people from other countries, people who feel a stronger bond with, e.g. Europe than they do with the UK? There's all sorts of reasons why this election result might be the tipping point for someone to want to leave, without their only reason being one of selfishness.
 
On a purely local level, the Cambridge results have been interesting - Huppert the muppe(r)t demolished (for which I am grateful - my son was at school with him and he was a weasel then). The last decade has seen the face of Cambridge change beyond all comprehension as every sordid developer with a few bob has rushed to build some crappy version of 'student accomodation' - in reality, none of it is - it is all buy-to-let shite of outstanding shoddiness which ducks every development criteria by using the catch-all phrase 'student'. My allotment is likely to be given a reprieve (since my local councillor has a plot there). I imagine Cambridge city could be a canary for future Labour policy - whither leftwards or even further to the right.
I am escaping to a place where there is no electricity though as I simply cannot bear the fanfare of Tory triumphalism...and despite trying hard to concentrate on numbers and proportions (of the voting electorate) I still feel utterly depressed as it is fairly obvious to me that a low turnout of engaged voters is exactly the situation desired by politcos of all stripes.
 
the SNP?


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Fair play to the exit pollsters. But the polling organisations are going to have to go back to the drawing board after this.
 
Fair play to the exit pollsters. But the polling organisations are going to have to go back to the drawing board after this.

I'm slightly suspicious about the early poll results, tbh. Kinda convenient that they probably made some non-Tories feel complacent.
 
Super powerful right-wing backbenchers can cause havoc.

Just thinking now that there could be a defection or two from the tory extreme right - with 3.5 million UKIP votes cast this time around the defectors would feel pretty safe?
 
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